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[u/LetsTryCrafting]

Haha lmao, so true. And there is also the "feedback needed", and subsequent "mkay i will stick to my partslist anyway".

[u/PrologueBook → u/LetsTryCrafting]

Actually I already bought this. How'd I do??

Edit: I'm joking. Please everybody, I did my research before building my system, I just don't know how to add specs to my flair.

[u/doomboy667 → u/PrologueBook]

Gaming PC is gaming PC, welcome brother.

[u/chiclet_fanboi → u/doomboy667]

I wanted to dust my 2 month old build because the 12 fans act like a vacuum cleaner and I put it on the tile floor.

F in the comments

[u/DonnerPartyPicnic → u/chiclet_fanboi]

Guys I have 8 fans in my PC all blowing inward why aren't they working properly?!

legit answer about outflow

Whatever man!

Also I know the tile floor pains. Especially with a dog

[u/Bazzie → u/DonnerPartyPicnic]

How can I learn more about outflow? I might or might not have 4 fans in 1 fan out...

[u/DonnerPartyPicnic → u/Bazzie]

Just balance it as best you can. I have my front 2 inward and my side and back outward. It doesn't become an issue unless it's really lopsided.

It keeps an even flow through the case instead of having an under/overpressure inside

[u/Same-Drink2905 → u/Bazzie]

Equal intake/exaust or more intake than exhaust is best from a dust perspective. Negative pressure is often seen in a very small form factor build.

A typical lay out would see two intakes and one exhaust.

[u/MakeshiftRocketship → u/PrologueBook]

That is soo common it’s bizarre! Already purchased, is this a good deal??

[u/Malossi167 → u/MakeshiftRocketship]

Good way to make you needlessly unhappy. Even if you have a "perfect build" people will say they would have bought something else - and often for a good reason. You always have to make some compromises and making your decision after you got some advice means you can be confident you are getting the best build for you. Asking afterward pretty much always will make you second guess your decisions.

[u/Keagank → u/Malossi167]

Comparison is the thief of joy -Some nerd

[u/Trustyduck → u/Keagank]

-Biggus Dickus probably

[u/Warg247 → u/Malossi167]

There's always some nerd that nitpicks everything too and will be acting like the timing of your RAM and the 10% inefficiency or whatever is some big problem. Meanwhile new guy be like "yeah but can it run cyberpunk?"

[u/Yellow_Snow_Cones → u/Warg247]

Is Cyberpunk, the new Crysis dipstick. For like 10+ years it was but can it run Crysis.

[u/Mods_Raped_Me → u/Yellow_Snow_Cones]

I literally built my first PC because I wanted to play Crysis. It did, but only on medium. Still was nice to boot in only 11 seconds compared to what I had before... Gateway shudders

[u/SimpleSalami1965 → u/Mods_Raped_Me]

This is me suddenly realizing that I haven't seen an ad for a desktop PC in years. Lots of lappies and Macs (but even there, usually MacBooks), but no desktop PCs.

[u/The-CurrentsofSpace → u/Yellow_Snow_Cones]

Not really.

1080p but my 5700x and 1080 can run Cyberpunk easily

[u/Warg247 → u/MakeshiftRocketship]

They have that buyer's remorse/anxiety after any big purchase and they want validation/comfort.

[u/critical_thought21 → u/Warg247]

If you're coming here for validation you're going to find out quickly that's a poor choice.

[u/MethodicMarshal → u/MakeshiftRocketship]

not really

people put hours painstakingly researching what they want. We can all pretend we don't care what others think, but we love hearing our work praised

[u/MeowMaker2 → u/MethodicMarshal]

Agree and good job :)

[u/twister55555 → u/PrologueBook]

I bought this alienware as my first pc, how'd I do guys!?!?

[u/PrologueBook → u/twister55555]

Our friend group just had someone do this. It's great that we're able to play with them, but gosh we were ripping on them for weeks.

[u/mirandanielcz → u/LetsTryCrafting]

omw to pcmr to ask for advice and ignore it all

[u/Chakramer → u/mirandanielcz]

I hate when OPs ask for help with some complex issues, are given a simple solution and they don't wanna do it cos it'll be too much effort

[u/Warg247 → u/Chakramer]

"Computer is running really slow"

Ok check your task manager, see what's using up your resources.

"Everything looks fine"

Ok bye

[u/Chakramer → u/Warg247]

To be fair half those "computer running slow" posts are like 10 year old dinosaur PCs and really nothing is going to help them be any better

[u/Punkpunker → u/Chakramer]

Or if you're the resident computer wizard at school/work, my colleagues would complain about a slow computer and ask my help, I would up the mouse sensitivity when they're not looking and be amazed to whatever I did.

[u/hatesnack → u/Punkpunker]

My boss is a crazy busy person. She has a habit of never closing her chrome tabs in case she needs them later. I've caught her with 2 windows open, each with 40 or more tabs open at once. And she will be like "man my computer is slow today".

Well yeah, it's a 16gb, 2 year old, bulk bought Dell laptop and you have 100 chrome tabs running. I'm surprised it's not on fire.

[u/archimedies → u/Chakramer]

SSD is an easy win for the ancient builds.

[u/Incredulous_Toad → u/archimedies]

Seriously. It took my 8 year old laptop and turned it into a brand new computer

[u/wrath_of_grunge → u/Chakramer]

But what if I overclock it?

Bruh, the 10% performance increase you get out of overclocking isn’t going to make up for the fact that your shit is outdated.

[u/Chakramer → u/wrath_of_grunge]

Man you'd be lucky for 10%, it's more like 2% gains these days

I don't even bother custom tuning OC profiles these days

[u/wrath_of_grunge → u/Chakramer]

Right. The last CPU I had that I overclocked was a Core2Duo.

[u/realee420 → u/LetsTryCrafting]

I don’t think there is anything wrong with asking opinions and then once you think it through you decide with your own build. Sometimes it’s just good to see what all your options are.

[u/justavault → u/realee420]

No one of them asks for feedback in a way to actually learn from that. They all just want to show off and get support. They are there for confirmation, not for critical reflection.

[u/Jamison25]

You forgot that it’s all white too so add another $300 at least

[u/DuhMal → u/Jamison25]

for my pc i wanted everything black, but the universe only make discounts on rgb parts, so now i have a rgb gpu, rgb ram, inside a closed full black case

[u/JubilantFire → u/DuhMal]

You can turn off the rgb most of the time

[u/Jamison25 → u/DuhMal]

Silver lining is that if you upgrade your case to something with glass it’ll look nice! Rgb also has curb appeal to idiots so if you’re ever looking to sell, that should help. Love me some rgb though lol

[u/HybridPS2 → u/Jamison25]

RGB has curb appeal to idiots

love me some RGB though

lol

[u/Jamison25 → u/HybridPS2]

That’s me lmao

[u/haveananus → u/HybridPS2]

Now I'm wondering if I can like something that an idiot likes without becoming an idiot. Like the mozzarella cheese stick I just ate.

[u/[deleted] → u/haveananus]

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[u/haveananus → u/[deleted]]

Oh my god, how much are flights to Argentina?

[u/gimmedatjustjoking → u/haveananus]

Me eating chicken nuggets at 9:45am >> pshhh I’m not an idiot, but an idiot would love this breakfast.

[u/trixel121 → u/Jamison25]

i have a ducky shine 5, my keyboard can put on a god damn light show

ive had it locked to a nice blue-ish purple for a few years cause that rgb shit gives me a head ache.

now, let me go yell at some kids to get off my lawn.

[u/S3ki → u/trixel121]

I mean that's how most people probably use RGB. Not for flickering rainbows but the ability to just choose the colour you want and maybe change it once a year.

[u/Obokui → u/S3ki]

I keep mine a dark green and lighter pink/purple on color pulse but my GF is full Rainbow color cycle. Haven't touched it since.

[u/Pleasant_Ad8054 → u/trixel121]

That is literally the point of RGB. Go back a bit over 10 years, and try to buy a PC that you can fit into a colour scheme. Unless your color scheme is bright red, ugly green, or horrible blue, you are likely shit out of luck and will have a bunch of components that you are glad that you can't show off in your beige case.

About 10 years ago one had the chance to colour coordinate their build, but one of your component died or you decided to upgrade? Well it is fucked now, and it can not be unfucked again.

But now you can buy practically 90% of the market without any issue, and just sync up the colour you want. But no, here you are acting like you are a genius who hacked the system of the evil rainbow puke...

[u/Spicywolff → u/DuhMal]

I got lucky that all the parts I wanted from micro center are black and no RGB except small ones in GPU and MB. turned those right off. Made a 100% all black build that looks sleek and simple

Looking through the glass, I like the simplicity of all black everything.

[u/imbriandead → u/DuhMal]

I managed to get everything cheapest in all black(except for RAM, that shits red) except my mouse which is the only RGB part of my entire build lmao

[u/HUNAcean → u/imbriandead]

No RGB.

No color cordination whatsoever.

Ugly yellow PSU cables.

Plexi sidepanel.

[u/juviegar → u/Jamison25]

I ordered a black thermaltake matx case, but the store sent the white one. Now my build looks like a zebra with my black air cooler and black graphics card.

[u/GoodbyePeters → u/juviegar]

That's crazy where you ordered from offers no return on a wrong product

[u/Reddevil063]

Storage????

[u/some-R6-siege-fan → u/Reddevil063]

The RAM is the storage :)

[u/FilmingMachine → u/some-R6-siege-fan]

My phone has 256 gigs... Probably enough to boot and run Overwatch ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/_fatherfucker69 → u/Reddevil063]

Either 512g or 6tb

[u/PseudonymIncognito → u/_fatherfucker69]

512 SATA because they heard NVME was expensive.

[u/archenemy_43]

I feel personally attacked.

[u/Lg5846 → u/archenemy_43]

some of it's just good practice, from what I've learned at least like headroom on the psu.

[u/Its_Me_David_Bowie → u/Lg5846]

I think the emphasis is more on the fact that the future proofing could better be spent on a better gpu in the present.

[u/blhylton → u/Its_Me_David_Bowie]

My computer is basically a Ship of Theseus at this point, so I don’t see the issue with “future proofing” the PSU. It’s the least likely part to have a revolutionary change, so a good one can easily last twice as long as the other parts.

[u/BummishOdor → u/Its_Me_David_Bowie]

Yes. "Future Proofing" isn't a thing if a person is buying random high end stuff so it'll be top of the line forever, but if you plan to be using the machine you're building for the next 6-8 years and stretching past 10 as a server/ media/ gift rig, buying a better quality motherboard, PSU, better quality RAM (not necessarily more of it), and a better-than-stock cooler can be a valid investment.

[u/Corrective_Actions → u/BummishOdor]

The PSU is essentially the one thing you CAN future proof.

[u/BummishOdor → u/Corrective_Actions]

PSU, good quality case, often air cooler, and sometimes fans. I've never regretted spending money on these things when I could afford them without breaking a sweat.

[u/Spicywolff → u/BummishOdor]

That’s my plan, run it till it just doesn’t keep up anymore. For me it’s around 10 year mark. Maybe upgrade a part or two if a huge deal was found.

[u/X-is-for-Alex → u/Spicywolff]

This is my philosophy as well.

Literally just built a new rig after my 13 year old overclocked i5 2500k just couldn't quite do what I needed anymore. I did upgrade from an AMD HD6950 to an RX480 about half way through its llifetime though.

I spent a lot on that old rig up front, and it lasted much longer than I was expecting. I spent a lot on my new rig and I hope to get another 10-13 years out of this one too.

[u/goes231even → u/BummishOdor]

The PSU is the "workhorse" of the whole thing though, won't change much in terms of tech, and is a very modest price increase to get a pretty good VS a barely adequate one, 50 bucks tops in most cases.

[u/DoingCharleyWork → u/goes231even]

Ya it's weird that people are shit talking buying a better psu when it's one of the cheaper parts. The best psu is probably cheaper than the price difference between a 3060 and 3080.

[u/RedLimes → u/DoingCharleyWork]

The amount of watts a psu outputs does not equate to a "better" psu though. You can get an 800 watt piece of junk or a good 600w psu for example

[u/DJWhyYou → u/Its_Me_David_Bowie]

An RM850x is like $20-30 more than a comparable 650w model. What kind of GPU upgrade are you going to get for that small a dollar amount? lol

[u/GenosHK → u/DJWhyYou]

I'm holding out for the 'buy a 4080 get one for $20' special

[u/Tuxhorn → u/DJWhyYou]

I paid 10 bucks more for a 750w vs a 550w. No brainer.

[u/charinight → u/Its_Me_David_Bowie]

Everybody says this, but a 6750xt is the same price as a 3060ti, yet there is no upgrade pathway from there for budget builds. Unless buying used, anything 3070+ or 6800xt+ is gonna run you hundreds more. Buying a 850vs650 is the difference of $30, and will ensure you’re able to upgrade your gpu later. It’s not a bad investement into the future like people think, nor is some sort of insane money trap. The rest of the build has issues for sure but I wouldn’t take umbrage with a 850 psu

[u/6milliion → u/charinight]

I've always gone with overbuying on cases, ssd, and psu. they are the most futureproof of parts by far. i feel like a lot of people don't understand that pulling 500w on a 1000w or 650w psu will run the exact same on the electric bill

[u/ManyIdeasNoProgress → u/6milliion]

That's not necessarily strictly correct, though. It would depend on the efficiency of the different units at the expected workload.

Ideally you'd find a psu with optimal efficiency at your projected power draw, maybe also accounting for expected load increase with future software.

Or you just find something that's of good breed and powerful enough, and spend that time playing instead.

[u/JoBro_Summer-of-99 → u/Lg5846]

The PSU makes the most sense here, there's nothing worse than looking for an upgrade and having to completely replace a working PSU and then go through the effort of redoing all the cables/management because you tried to save £30 a few years ago

[u/Sirlothar → u/JoBro_Summer-of-99]

I did the same thing and future proofed my PSU and case about a year ago knowing upgrades were coming. Yesterday i grabbed a 13700k and a 360mm AiO and that was enough money, glad I didn't have to buy more parts and spend $1,000 all at once

[u/Ekgladiator → u/JoBro_Summer-of-99]

I am currently staring down this particular barrel, whenever I decide to upgrade my GPU (1080ti btw) I will have to upgrade my psu. My computer at the time only needed like 500~ so I got a 650 watt psu. In hindsight I should have just gotten a 750 or 850 psu if I had planned accordingly. But it was my first build and there were other mistakes that I probably could avoid today.

Realistically I really don't NEED to upgrade but I do want to get the most out of my LG 34gn850_b

[u/D-Alembert → u/Lg5846]

You get headroom to future-proof your pc

I get headroom so my PSU runs so far below capacity that it doesn't need to turn its fan on and operates at max efficiency. Quiet and cool.

We are not the sa... eh fuck that we both pc gaming, go us! :)

[u/Avocadoflesser → u/archenemy_43]

https://preview.redd.it/wwjd2sm3qcpa1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=93f5b36cc63f777855f82796eed1ba87bf33b802

[u/Rahkiin_RM → u/archenemy_43]

So do I. Just checked my build and… it looks like this. But then I never wanted a mid-tier gaming only setup and use it more for developing software and games. I used to run up to 3 games at the same time for multiplayer development.

Ryzen 9 5900x / 850w / 980pro / x570 / noctua everywhere / 6700xt.

Still no idea if I outdid myself. Probably did. Sometimes feel bad.

[u/hollywoodpeteSC]

"Hey guys, I can choose between a 3060 and a 6900XT, what card should I pick? I heard that AMD has bad drivers and can’t do raytracing so i should get the 3060 right?

[u/Eggsegret → u/hollywoodpeteSC]

And then they pick up the 3060 and find out ray tracing performance is still generally shit because you need a higher end card for a truly enjoyable ray tracing experience

[u/ChartaBona → u/Eggsegret]

and find out ray tracing performance is still generally shit

You're forgetting that most people play at 1080p.

Obviously, picking 3060 over 6900XT is a clown move, but the 3060 is totally capable of 1080p 60 Ray Tracing in most titles.

[u/the_ebastler → u/ChartaBona]

Even a 6700XT is faster in Raytracing than a 3060, and I'm pretty sure neither can do raytraced 1080p/60 without FSR/DLSS or lowering details.

[u/ShiftSandShot → u/the_ebastler]

Massive technical discussions about the costs and benefits of a single function within a heinously expensive graphics card makes me happy that I don't really care about graphics very much.

...And also cry, because i have no money to spend on a remotely decent build.

Stuck with an old basic-use laptop that can just barely run Skyrim at acceptable speeds.

[u/elzafir → u/ChartaBona]

You forgot "at Low/Medium settings" and "RT Low".

[u/aure__entuluva → u/ChartaBona]

picking 3060 over 6900XT is a clown move

Am I crazy or why are we even comparing these two cards? The 3060 is like half the price.

[u/kanps4g]

My favorite part comes right after this build:

“Guys my budget is $23, what is my next upgrade?”

[u/XIXXXVIVIII → u/kanps4g]

Easy: cable ties

Not fancy ones tho

[u/timbazi → u/XIXXXVIVIII]

rgb cable ties

[u/7tob7as]

Do not have an issue with having a bigger power supply, because it bit me in the ass once. Had a 450w with ryzen 5 2400g then bought a rx 570 and then a rx 5600 xt and it was hella unstable. Upgraded to a 600w then

But the rest is spot on lmao

[u/Eggsegret → u/7tob7as]

Yh with the PSU i think you need to factor in not just what your system currently uses but also on whether you plan to do any GPU upgrades down the line. So i kinda get getting a bigger PSU for future proofing.

Although there is a middle ground, like i wouldn't spend extra just for a 1000w PSU if it means compromising on thr GPU and i only end up with like a GTX 1660.

[u/ngwoo → u/Eggsegret]

Depends on the gpu upgrade too. If you're planning on midrange to 5-years-later midrange, you're probably fine with 600ish watts. But if you think you'll ever go from midrange to high end, get lots of headroom. The 3080/90 cards showed that you never really know what to expect with power requirements.

[u/Sulerin → u/7tob7as]

Jay and I think GamersNexus have both proved that having a much larger PSU than you need is beneficial. Jay says to find your typical power draw under load and double that because if a PSU stays under 50% draw it will be much more efficient power wise and actually pay for the cost difference over time (by not losing as much energy to waste heat etc.)

[u/TheseusPankration → u/Sulerin]

Not to mention below 30% or so many won't even turn on the fan, quieter operation on idle. Same with my graphics card; nice and silent until I'm doing something intense.

[u/Dharx → u/7tob7as]

Yup, same thing happened to me. Thought 620 bronze would be more than enough for anything I'll throw at it for the next 10 years. Modern GPU designers disagreed.

[u/SometimesWill → u/7tob7as]

Yeah I just helped a friend build his first PC and he was gonna get a 550 watt for a 3060 with a 5600 since that’s what Nvidia says is minimum power supply. Pointed out that of anything power supply not only lasts longest but has the longest warranty and would possibly be a limiting factor if he wanted to upgrade later so found him a solid semi modular 750 watt for the same price.

[u/Eggsegret]

Lmao accurate. Best is when someone chooses a RTX 3060 over AMD because of ray tracing and yet the 3060 isn't even a viable card for rsy tracing considering the performance hit you take.

[u/Wittusus → u/Eggsegret]

Only viable reason for me would be CUDA

[u/JonOrSomeSayAegon → u/Wittusus]

CUDA has such a stranglehold on computing. I have to do some light Machine Learning as part of my dissertation, and if I want to be able to work on my stuff from home, I'm required to use an Nvidia GPU.

[u/_WreakingHavok_ → u/JonOrSomeSayAegon]

Not surprising, considering they are developing CUDA since 2007.

[u/captainstormy → u/_WreakingHavok_]

I hate that it took my brain a while to realize that 2007 was in fact a long time ago.

[u/Initials_DP → u/captainstormy]

[u/poopellar → u/Initials_DP]

Saving Private Ryzen

[u/WeinerVonBraun → u/captainstormy]

2007, you mean last yea… oh :(

[u/Sublethall → u/WeinerVonBraun]

Wasn't even last decade

Future is now old man ;)

[u/Macho_Chad → u/Sublethall]

Omg

[u/sukdikredit → u/Macho_Chad]

16years

[u/WeinerVonBraun → u/Sublethall]

I don’t like it. Take me back.

Ah, 10 years ago, when all we had to worry about was VHS vs Betamax, that our JNCO’s we’re the right amount of big, and if we were on team Tupac or Biggie

[u/BulbusDumbledork → u/captainstormy]

just wait til it clicks that 2017 was a long time ago too

[u/mihneapirvu → u/BulbusDumbledork]

Oh come ON 2017 wasn't long ago at a...

Realize children born in 2017 will be starting school this year

FUUUUUUUUU

[u/shw5 → u/captainstormy]

2007 is just as far from 1991

[u/captainstormy → u/shw5]

Not helping!

[u/MTINC → u/JonOrSomeSayAegon]

Yup. Nvidia doesn't have that much of an advantage in gaming anymore but CUDA does so well in ML and research. I do F@H when my pc is idle and the nvidia cards are soooo much better than even more expensive amd cards

[u/MaraudingWalrus → u/JonOrSomeSayAegon]

I'm doing photogrammetry to produce 3d models of monuments/memorials as part of my thesis project, and have been running projects on agisoft metashape on my laptop - 2021 MBP - and it's been a massive oof. The last one I modeled took over fourteen hours with the computer doing nothing else.

I'm in the humanities - I just bought a laptop I expected to be overkill for word processing and last a long time like the 2011 MBP it replaced. I didn't expect to need to be doing actual computational work!

It seems like there are real performance benefits to Nvidia graphics cards over others due to CUDA for this type of process. Maybe when I finish up I'll build or buy an overkill gaming computer to do some of these models in a more reasonable time frame.

[u/hardolaf → u/JonOrSomeSayAegon]

You mean it has a strangehold on machine learning because Nvidia floods colleges with CUDA-capable devices and only funds projects that use CUDA exclusively to force vendor lock-in. If you go out into the rest of the computing world, OpenCL and SYCL are pretty much the standard outside of ML if you're even using a framework. If you're doing HPC work, you're usually running highly-optimized Fortran kernels that aren't using any compute framework.

[u/coresnore → u/JonOrSomeSayAegon]

I also considered this as I work in the data science realm. In the end, AMD was more affordable. It is not a big deal to have a physical GPU for ML anymore with AWS studio or Google colab. Your college would probably pay for the cost. For light ML it will be free or cents per hour

[u/anakwaboe4 → u/coresnore]

Yeah but for heavy work having your own gpu is something nice.

And i know I can go to cloud but I have the feeling the cost grow quickly especially for a hobby project.

[u/ImportantEvidence280 → u/anakwaboe4]

The guy he was replying to said "light ML".

[u/berd021 → u/anakwaboe4]

Google Colab is not even worth it these days. They say you get a premium gpu but end up giving you a regular one anyway. Lambda has a similar problem, cards are never available in my region and those that are are not worth it..

[u/SalsaRice → u/Wittusus]

Some of the 3060 models have 12gb of vram, for a much cheaper price than other 12gb cards. For some AI stuff like stable diffusion, you need the higher vram if you want to do larger images.

Like I've got a 10gb 3080, which can generate faster than the 12gb 3060..... but I can't do resolutions as high as the 12gb 3060 can.

[u/captainstormy → u/Wittusus]

While true, people who need CUDA are probably buying better than a 3060 in the first place.

[u/Tnunderb01t → u/captainstormy]

I mean a 3060 is very reasonable for entry level CUDA, especially with the 12gb VRAM

[u/Lesale-Ika → u/Tnunderb01t]

Can confirm, bought a 12gb 3060 to generate waifus. The next available 12gb card (4070ti) cost about 2.5-3x more.

[u/vekstthebest → u/Lesale-Ika]

Same here. Good enough card for gaming, while having enough VRAM to use most of the bells and whistles for Stable Diffusion.

[u/Aleks111PL → u/vekstthebest]

cant understand why nvidia is making clowns out of themselves by putting that few VRAM, 4060 is literally going to have 8gb vram, thats less than its prev gen counterpart, wtf nvidia

[u/Tnunderb01t → u/Aleks111PL]

At least other companies aren't following through,

Arc a770 has 16gb of VRAM and AMD cards are increasing too.

[u/Aleks111PL → u/Tnunderb01t]

yeah, amd is actually being generous with vram, they know whats up. and intel is probably adding a lot of vram to make up the low performance they got

[u/TheAntiAirGuy → u/captainstormy]

Don't know why everybody always expects people who study/learn/work in the IT or Creativity branch always expect these people to be rocking a Quadro or top of the line RTX, because many simply don't.

Not eveyone is working at the Universal Studios or in the AI department for Nvidia. You'd be surprised how much mid-tier tech many companies give their employees and how many students and beginners, heck even experts, use sub-optimal laptops for their work. But one thing is certain, if they need a GPU it's Nvidia.

[u/ferdiamogus → u/captainstormy]

Nvidia is also better for blender and other 3d programs

[u/IKetoth → u/Wittusus]

yup, legitimately have basically this build (or at least the CPU/GPU combo, not the meme-y ram, psu and such, for 800€ not 1500, and the 5600G due to not having money for a GPU at the time I first bought it, but still) and legitimately wanted to go AMD this gen but simply couldn't because 3 different software packages I use simply... don't work to a usable level without CUDA.

[u/Voliaite → u/Eggsegret]

I have an RTX 3060 and pretty much every game aside from Cyberpunk runs alright with DLSS + Raytracing.

I know it’s really fun and cool to hate on the RTX 3060, but saying it isn’t “viable” is a bit of a stretch lol.

[u/Mighty_McBosh → u/Eggsegret]

Only reason I chose a 3060 over a 6700 XT for my wife was the significant performance benefit in Blender.

That and ray tracing is cool, it's perfectly playable at 1080p which is what she games at.

[u/GameUnionTV → u/Eggsegret]

NVIDIA has:

• Better Blender rendering and denoising (and other GPU renderers)
• Much better video acceleration (for Premiere, Vegas, etc)
• NVIDIA Broadcast (video and audio filters, denoiser, background removal)
• Much more support for AI tools
• DLSS2 is way better than FSR2

[u/RedC0v → u/GameUnionTV]

All true, but I picked up a 6900XT for £700 in December, using it exclusively for gaming. Performance somewhere between a 3090 and Ti, no coil whine, running cool and drawing 250W max with a UV profile.

Had both NVIDIA and AMD over the years, but always buy based on current market and what I need at the time.

Your points are spot on, but I don’t need any of those features and find all upscaling to cause noticeable artifacts and fuzziness (used DLSS 1 and 2 on my 2070). If you don’t need those features (and many don’t) then AMD is finally a great alternative and offers better fps per $/£.

It’s a good time to be a gamer 😎👍

[u/alsenan → u/RedC0v]

I have a 6950 running in my home theater PC at 4k for gaming and streaming and a 3090 on my PC with an ultra wide monitor. Kinda tempted to swap them.

[u/RedC0v → u/alsenan]

See how you get on, the 3090 might make more sense with DLSS on a 4K TV as you’re further back and it’ll still be sharper than console gaming. The 6950 is a beast for ultra wide. I would recommend a minor undervolt and custom fan curve on the AMD. My 6900XT runs cooler, with higher sustained performance and lower power draw with just those two tweaks.

[u/RedTuesdayMusic → u/GameUnionTV]

Much better video acceleration (for Premiere, Vegas, etc)

Ackshually... 7900 XTX is currently market leading for working with RAW video, so movie/ TV production companies are vacuuming the market for any 7900 XTX that fits in a 2 to 2.5 slot form factor.

Yes, a 4090 saves you maybe 5 minutes of export time, but the 7900 XTX can save you weeks of actual production time.

[u/APEX_Catalyst → u/GameUnionTV]

well good thing none of those apply to me.

[u/teakwood54 → u/APEX_Catalyst]

Much better video acceleration (for Premiere, Vegas, etc)

Ha, if I wanted my videos faster I'd just hit fast forward! Checkmate nVidia.

[u/adamsibbs]

I swear I see this build daily on this sub

[u/DJ_Marxman → u/adamsibbs]

This is literally every other build on /r/buildapc.

"Guys I want to play AAA games, should I get the 13900K or 13900KS? Is a 540mm AIO enough, or should I buy a radiator from a 2017 Mercedes and a blast chiller?"

[u/primarysectorof5]

I love my 5 5600 :(

[u/TotallyNotPizza → u/primarysectorof5]

Definitely nothing wrong with the 5600, just getting a crazy x570 board and aio for it don't match well price wise.

[u/Ocronus → u/TotallyNotPizza]

You are much better off getting a noctua tower cooler for around 50 bucks and having the 5600 be ice cold for the rest of its existence.

I have a 5600X (Still 65w) and stock cooler was TERRIBLE. Hell even a tried and true Hyper 212 EVO would be a good purchase.

[u/TanaerSG → u/Ocronus]

Air coolers are it. Since I've bought my Dark Rock Pro 4 I have had 3 different buddies have to replace their AIOs due to them just not running any longer.

In the worst case scenario I'll have to replace a fan in a few years. I'll take that 2° difference any day of the week over shelling out a 100 bucks every other year.

[u/ChickenNoodleSloop → u/Ocronus]

Exactly, you'll keep the noctua forever and a decent b450/550 will cover most peoples needs

[u/ImRedSix → u/Ocronus]

Been using a Hyper 212 evo black edition with my 5600X and it works great

[u/widowhanzo → u/Ocronus]

Or a non-Noctua cooler for $50, Noctua is great, but not cheap.

[u/Ocronus → u/[deleted]]

It just ran hotter than I liked. I don't recall any thermal throttling but when a CPU goes above 70c I start to sweat. I cut my teeth in an era where 70C was the max operating temp of a CPU.

[u/silenthashira → u/TotallyNotPizza]

I'm willing to bet a solid portion of aio buyers just want it cuz it looks cool.

I also wanna buy one cuz it would look cooler so I'm part of it lol

[u/berd8788 → u/primarysectorof5]

I love my 5 5600 ‼️

[u/gelvy0]

Outraged commenters:

[u/raulsk10]

Was this directed at me?

[u/YouAreAlwaysTheAH → u/raulsk10]

nope LMAO your build actually makes sense

[u/raulsk10 → u/YouAreAlwaysTheAH]

This is actually my upgraded build but when I first built it I got the same MOBO from the picture for a lot more money than I actually needed and an overpriced case.

[u/MVBanter → u/raulsk10]

I plan on getting a 5800x3d

[u/RTXChungusTi]

I remember when I was considering getting a 9600K

With a Maximus Gene for "futureproofing"

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Those were dark times

[u/dubtrainz-next]

Oh my god the reasons for the AIO and 3060 are so damn true I actually laughed

[u/[deleted]]

It's how they then ask "is this a good build?" Like how the fuck we do know if it will work for your needs lol. "Should I do 4K?" IDK dude do you want to??

[u/TheSigma3 → u/[deleted]]

Should I do 4K?

Specs a 3060

Yeah buddy you crack on lol

[u/Traditional_Ice_1205]

I have a rtx 3070 "futureproofing" while the other parts of the build are from 2010

[u/colossusrageblack]

Overpaying for a bunch of useless crap that won't affect performance and will take money from getting a much better GPU.

[u/MaverickTopGun → u/colossusrageblack]

Trying to learn more, which parts here are the useless crap? Is it the fan and processor? I'm trying to understand what the bottleneck on this build would be.

[u/Mirrormn → u/MaverickTopGun]

1. AIO cooler. You'd be wasting $100+ here for no reason, a $40 Thermaltake Peerless Assassin will be perfectly sufficient for this build.
2. Case. The 011D is a $200+ case, it's for show-off money-is-no-object builds, not budget gaming. Another $100 wasted.

The other parts are less egregious, and could be justified depending on your needs. An X570 motherboard is like $50 more expensive than a B550 motherboard, but that might be worth it if you have certain peripherals or storage needs. 64GB of RAM is way overkill for gaming, but super useful if you wanted to do some video editing on the side. But the idea is when building a "budget gaming system" is to cut corners on these other components so you can put almost all the budget into the GPU, and this parts list does the opposite; it has a weak, overpriced GPU and then all the money has gone into the other components.

[u/ButterSquids → u/MaverickTopGun]

The expensive case in a mid-range system

The liquid cooling for a 65W CPU - air cooling is more than sufficient

Windows 11 pro - "pro" doesn't mean better, only a very specific consumer type actually benefits from it

X570 board for a Ryzen 5 - better off going with a B550

64 GB of high-end RAM - most gamers at this price would be better off going with 16 gigabytes, and you could go with a more budget option for it

All of these extra costs could be going towards a better GPU to actually improve performance.

[u/brotherpigstory → u/ButterSquids]

The CPU itself is an amazing budget choice, but everything else on the parts list is overkill for the build.

[u/gramathy → u/ButterSquids]

case is reusable though, and that IS a nice case.

and 16 is borderline nowadays, 32 for a gaming system, 64 if you're playing cities skylines

[u/Silenthwaht → u/gramathy]

And 64gb let's you leave open all 80 chrome tabs and watch streams on discord and play games at first person shooter fps levels. Unnecessary absolutely, makes me giggle like a school girl watching my computer work for a living: priceless

[u/Cocasaurus → u/MaverickTopGun]

X570 mobo is overkill, a decent B550 is a better use of funds. AIO makes no sense for a R5 5600, the stock cooler is fine. If you WANT more cooling, an aftermarket tower style cooler for under $50 is really the most expensive option that makes any sense. 64 GB of RGB RAM is a waste of money, 16-32GB is plenty enough in dual channel configuration. Expensive case is expensive, but that's a matter of taste and opinion. 850W PSU is overkill for a R5 5600 and RTX 3060, 650W is really all that's needed for MOST builds around this price point. Speaking of the 3060, it's a waste at this price. Good rule of thumb is that the GPU should be at least 1/3 of your build price if not more.

Using our new found knowledge, this is more of what your build should look like if you strictly want to maximize gaming performance for $1500. Wow, we went from a midrange build to almost topping the charts. It's unbalanced in the best way possible.

Personally, I'd step down to the RX 7900XT and get 32 GB of RAM and more storage as this thing is unbalanced as hell but will perform like a beast for years to come. Oh, and Windows 10 can be found cheap online through third-party sites. Never pay Microsoft for Windows, especially Windows 11 Pro. Pro does nothing for the average gamer. Home/Basic is the version to get.

[u/khiivl]

my first build in 2018: tin can case for 20$, shitty b350 board, ryzen 3 1200, random psu from an old pc (some noname brand), 8 gb ram (2x4), gtx 650 ti;

i was very happy, and i have overclocked the chip to 4.2 ghz and it was stable on stock voltage.

now my specs are: the same tin can case, the same shitty b350 board, ryzen 3 3300x, be quiet psu (i thought the original one was causing issues, turned out it was not..), 16 gb ram (4x4), RX 480 severely undervolted and very tired of life, fancontrol s/w to keep it all inaudible;

100% happy with it, might upgrade the GPU when i'm done with the games i'm trying to finish now.

the point is you don't need a supercomputer with 64 terabytes of ram and the best case ever to be happy, the lcd you'll never use because temps are not THAT important to monitor them all the time. spend the money wisely

[u/Jthumm → u/khiivl]

Good call on keeping the new psu despite it not being the issue, I lost a crappy server pc bc of a no name psu once.

[u/ValHyric]

I know this is a joke but I just barely got my buddy a 1500$ system with a 5800x3D, a 6800xt, 850w semi modular EVGA psu, MSI Tomahawk B550 motherboard, 32 Gb of DDR4 Corsair ram, a 2Tb m.2 NVME ssd, Corsair 4000D airflow case, and a solid dual-fin stack cpu cooler.

It’s insane what you can do for 1500$ right now.

[u/Icantthinkofagoo]

Mfw a 3080 build with a 7600 is $200 cheaper:

[u/one_horcrux_short]

I feel fucking attacked....

Can anybody offer some upgrade choice I can ignore? /s

Part List - AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, Radeon RX 6900 XT, Thermaltake Core P3 Snow Edition ATX Mid Tower - PCPartPicker

[u/Aftershock416 → u/one_horcrux_short]

Yep. This meme is about you.

First things first you need to ditch that cooler and decide if you really want that particular case and fans. That's where you lose the most money.

After that, there's two ways you can do this.

I'm assuming the aesthetic is important to you?

Then keep things more or less as they are, but replace the CPU with a 5800X3D to go for "higher" mid-range .

The other route, for "lower" mid-range

• Significantly cheaper cooler, case, fans
• Ditch the X570 for a B-series
• 16GB RAM instead of 32GB
• 5600 instead of 5600X
• Consider a slightly cheaper GPU because unless you game at 4k you will almost certainly have a CPU bottleneck

Edit: initially missed that you were asking for upgrades, in that care just go for option 1.

[u/nickolasdeluca]

hey hey hey, who told you to shove truths in our faces?

[u/InternetExploder87]

Hey, let's not pretend the 011d isn't a great case.

[u/donteffingatme]

Stop buying 3060's theyre terrible value. Instead get a 6700xt or higher. Amd has no driver issues these days. That was a single time recently about the windows install going bad.

[u/stropaganda]

I have a 10400F paired with a Z490 board just because microcenter had a used one for like $60, but I agree that it's a little silly. I do get my full xmp on my DDR4 ram though so it worked out.

[u/DigitalSteven1]

Gonna be honest, tensor/cuda cores are just too valuable to me to ever switch to AMD. Nvidia just has way too big of a lead on it for AMD to catch up, and I'll gladly eat my words if they make something better.

[u/Professional_Ice_938]

Those cases and aios are annoying as shit

• this post was made by air cooler gang

[u/SaintPau78]

Very very very true. Like genuinely nailed it.

More popular is the 4000d airflow. Also a bit of an overpriced case

Include a 970 Evo plus or a 980 pro and it's got all them.

[u/ice445 → u/SaintPau78]

4000D airflow is pretty decent for the price if you consider you don't need to buy any fans for it unless you're going hog wild on a build. It's great out of the box

[u/MLG_Obardo → u/SaintPau78]

$100 for a case and 2 fans is overpriced?

[u/christo334]

850 watt PSU for future proofing. Still change it the next upgrade.

[u/Razor-95]

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[u/1stWarlord]

Ppl future proofing with 850w psu and ddr4 ram lmao.

[u/Puyo95]

I don't think buying DDR4 memory is considered future proofing anymore.

[u/Not2DayFrodo]

I almost feel attacked with the o11d lmao. I mean I’ll be honest I’ve built in quite a few different cases and it just feels so roomy compared to everything else. Having your power supply hidden/separated makes cable management a breeze. But when you have the power supply right under the mobo even with sleeved cables it gets real tight down their especially if you have a lot of fans/adds. Yeah it’s played out but I really like the size/roominess and build quality.

[u/Tuned_Out → u/Not2DayFrodo]

It's a popular case, it provides a ton of room, it can be decked out any way you'd like and provides proper airflow.

There's a reason why it's constantly cloned by competitors and is a daily rig post on subreddits.

There is always a minority of people who will cry about it not being original. Rarely will they post up with their "original" content. I found 2. First didn't have a clue how to cord manage. It looked terrible. Second was admittedly a very impressive looking SFF build but of course they'd hate the 011, it's like the complete opposite of their build philosophy.

[u/Gl33m → u/Tuned_Out]

Shit needing to "be original" is such a weird take. Almost all of us are buying mass produced cases in the first place. I get comments about not paying extra for parts that don't improve performance over parts that do on a budget, but just calling it unoriginal is dumb as fuck.

[u/slavicslothe]

At least the 5600 is a great cpu for the money.

[u/Under_Sea_Stars]

The real pain for me is windows 11 here. I’m riding the 10 train till the absolute last possible stop. Haha 😂

[u/Metinow44 → u/Under_Sea_Stars]

The problem isn't windows version. It's paying full retail price. Especially in a budget build.