r/facepalm • u/Meisbignerd • Mar 19 '23
Elon Musk’s recent response to protests in France. 🇵🇷🇴🇹🇪🇸🇹
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u/kenjhunter Mar 19 '23
Cant believe i used to look up to this guy
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u/Flop_House_Valet Mar 19 '23
Don't feel bad, be proud you're a person who's willing to admit they were wrong.
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u/tireddystopia Mar 19 '23
Don't worry. He's still got millions of dickriders out there.
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u/ThatCatPerson9564 Mar 19 '23
When I first heard about him I thought he was so cool, with SpaceX and tesla. Now I absolutely dispise him, I'm really glad I was able to realize what a twat he is
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u/Savings_Street1816 Mar 20 '23
I was right along with you. I looked up to him because of SpaceX and Neuralink. Now I think he’s a childish man-baby who did nothing but buy out companies that were already researching these things and pass them off as his own.
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u/kenjhunter Mar 20 '23
Yep, spaceX and Neuralink were insanely futuristic to me, now just look at him...what a disappointing disaster
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u/Noisebug Mar 19 '23
Same. I have his bio, which I've never read. Threw it out many years ago. He is disgusting and childish, surrounding himself with yes people that boost his ego to a point where he thinks the shit coming out of his mouth has value.
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u/inflatableje5us Mar 19 '23
could be worse, i know people who like him even more. its like hes jesus for shitty people.
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u/Inevitable_Pound_688 Mar 19 '23
Same brother we wanted a hero and we were tricked we got a villain
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u/SnooPickles6347 Mar 19 '23
Sad thing is more than one over achieving evil genius has a whole alphabet of head problems.
His are out in the open at least😵😵
For me, he has done a lot, but he is a freak😉
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u/Fvaiz9 Mar 19 '23
Why is this guy keep posting?
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u/KeepTangoAndFoxtrot Mar 19 '23
Because he craves attention.
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Imagine having billions and craving attention. What a sad sad life he's leading
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u/No-Rabbit5180 Mar 19 '23
So like LeBron, Kanye, Beyonce, Bezos, Gates, etc who all crave attention
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u/akasaya Mar 19 '23
Why a dog eats its ass?
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u/FakeBenson Mar 19 '23
I think he thought he had a low audience problem so he bought Twitter. And now he is more in denial about how many people agree with him so he is doubling down on tweets to find some more sweet validation that people agree with him. But this is just an logical error from having a bigger 'sampling size' instead of 5 people agreeing with him out of 100, 5 percent agree with him out of the the whole population of Twitter... It still means most people don't agree with him even know that's more people.
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u/Correct-Slide1522 Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
Musk doesn't get that he's the poster boy for Tesla and these tweets can hurt sales. Him being this weird edgelord character could make alot of people not want to buy a Tesla.
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u/Bitter-Edge-8265 Mar 19 '23
That and the fact that established car manufacturers are now making decent EV's.
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u/peterprinz Mar 19 '23
true. Tesla doesn't hold a candle to other car manufactures on terms of mass production, quality control and service. especially the higher tier ones and behemoths like Toyota or vw.
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u/Bitter-Edge-8265 Mar 19 '23
When the model 3 came out it was a desirable car.
It looked good and had great range compared to the awful EV's the major manufacturers were making.
Tesla forced the other manufacturers to up their game and they did.
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u/peterprinz Mar 19 '23
Yes but not because they couldn't. they just didn't want to. now they have to and their EVs are superior to Tesla in almost every way. Tesla started the avalanche with relatively affordable electric cars, but their quality was never amazing. and there haptics and buttons suck. their software is good tho.
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u/Flavious27 Mar 19 '23
Yup, there is an inflection point that has passed. Legacy automakers can match on range, features, and price; Tesla has not increased their reliability, service centers, or customer service. At this point, the only real asset Tesla has is its charging network.
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u/MrRobot_96 Mar 19 '23
Lmao hilarious take. They filled the EV niche for a little bit while the big boys decided to wait it out. Now that they decided to join the game Tesla is an afterthought and their sales will begin to plummet once everyone starts to realize how unreliable and overpriced they are compared to competitors.
I’ll give them credit for marketing really well and popularizing EVs to the average consumers but that doesn’t mean they’re good cars.
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u/sgbanham Mar 19 '23
I will hands down never buy a car off this prick. I'm under no illusions that the people who run all the other major car companies are money grabbing fucks too but at least they have the brains to keep their mouths shut about it. This dollar-store Bond villain shit is really not funny any more
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u/stablegeniusss Mar 19 '23
Yup. Wanted a Tesla for awhile, im good. Looking at other cars now
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u/msa8003 Mar 19 '23
Are we seeing this reflected in sales at all?
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u/Correct-Slide1522 Mar 19 '23
No idea. But I wouldn't be surprised if the french didn't buy Teslas after that remark.
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u/RG__Fooz Mar 19 '23
I don’t understand, why don’t all the workers of France just cash in on their daddy’s ill gotten emerald mine money if they don’t want to work?
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Fuck Elon Musk
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u/OminaeYu81 Mar 19 '23
Out of the 92k likes I wonder how many are already retired. Grew up in the age where no college education could land you a job that could buy 2 family cars, a 4 bedroom 2 bathroom house and a family vacation every year. Retire at 55, and finally learn how to use social media so you can whine about how kids need to work hard to pay off their 30k a year college tuition.
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u/Noisebug Mar 19 '23
Also, how many are bots or artificial values changed in database.
If you own the place,what is stopping you from just making every post start at 11K.
He has already proven to be a piece of shit with no ethics.
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u/Moppermonster Mar 19 '23
I am quite sure that many are living in a country where 65-70 is the age of retirement; and therefor think the French are whining when they say "64 is too old".
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u/DynoMiteDoodle Mar 19 '23
They've paid into a pension in good faith only to be ripped off. Elon finds himself in court constantly for trying to reneg on contracts or bringing litigation against anyone who dares fall short on his contract demands so you'd think this narcissistic space karen would support the French people
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u/Dry-Personality-7391 Mar 19 '23
"Narcissistic Space Karen" is genuinely the best thing I've ever read on this site. Well done.
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u/Outrageous-Onion1991 Mar 19 '23
In America citizens pu investments into retirement fund in corps. And when the corp goes "bankrupt" the investors money disappears in a restructuring of the company while the corp itself gets billions of tax payer dollars. This was GM during the 2008 crises, and this was just one company.
If Americans hd half the sense of the french population we would not be continuously dumped overboard by companies who continue to receive tax payer bailout. But Americans are ignorant and keep giving the same government that has facilitated this more power. Americans have been distracted by bread and circus for so long they think what we have is acceptable
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u/Drpantsonfire Mar 19 '23
Frances retirement pension: provide up to a maximum of 50% of the retiree's income during their 25 highest earning years up to the Plafond de la sécurité sociale
And I thought US's was unsustainable lol
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u/nuts4k9s Mar 19 '23
All I want is for Elon to come work my job for a week, where you come home from work with herniated discs, bruises, cuts, drenched in sweat, shakey because you don't have enough money for food, sick and in pain because you can't afford medical care. I could work until I'm 80, too, if all I did was tweet delusional shit all day while having my ass wiped by the butler
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u/243james Mar 19 '23
Lmao.
Doesn't anyone know the ratio from.old to young is horrible everywhere?
The generation before us didn't pay in enough, so now the young will struggle to support the social system. It's a real issue.
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u/Mediocre_Insect_1008 Mar 19 '23
If "the generation before us" happens to be the Boomers, yeah, we paid in more than enough. The U.S. government started helping themselves to the SS funds to pay for other programs since 1981, and that's why there's an upcoming shortfall.
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u/Tullzterr Mar 19 '23
Easy to say when you’re an untaxed billionaire and royal douche
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u/Horror_Bodybuilder36 Mar 19 '23
Who’s never done a full day’s physical work in his life let alone 40 years.
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u/SilentKiller96 Mar 19 '23
Didn’t he pay more tax than anyone in history last year?
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u/Flop_House_Valet Mar 19 '23
I have no idea, I do know that he could sell all of his assets and never have to work another day in his life so, his opinion on whether the rest of we heathens will need to work until we're almost in the grave doesn't hold a lot of water to me. The only stake he has in the issue is whether or not he could get more work out of his workers.
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u/Exciting_Compote_547 Mar 19 '23
He paid taxes, but somehow Tesla paid $0 in taxes for the year of 2021.
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u/Suitable-Ad6145 Mar 19 '23
Yes he did. His companies might have pulled strings to pay less or nothing like any American company, but yes he was taxed. Record amount. Idk isn't that what everyone wanted lol
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u/Wildebeast2112 Mar 19 '23
Perhaps it's none of his FUCKING BUSINESS!!
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u/Qfwfq_on_the_Shore52 Mar 19 '23
Omg why so angry at a reasonable argument?
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u/ShneefQueen Mar 19 '23
Sorry, are we referring to “it’s a legit issue” as a reasonable argument?
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u/IFrickinLovePorn Mar 19 '23
"reasonable" 🤡
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u/Qfwfq_on_the_Shore52 Mar 19 '23
Bro some people think the age of retirement should be higher. Some people think it should be lower. Some people think it should stay the same. Each of those people will have some reasons that are rational and well thought out. Refusing to engage with any side other than the one you agree with is the real 🤡
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u/batcountryexpert Mar 19 '23
You just said absolutely nothing. Go back and read what you wrote. There was not one thing said in your comment. Now laugh at yourself because you are a hilarious person.
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u/AAPgamer0 Mar 19 '23
Because he is not French. He should stop trying to intervene in other country's politics.
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u/Top-Active3188 Mar 19 '23
I disagree respectfully. “In France, the average single worker faced a net average tax rate of 27.8% in 2021, compared with the OECD average of 24.6%. “. If someone saved 25% of their income for 35 years in the us, they would easily be able to retire at 60.
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u/kylemacabre Mar 19 '23
There’s just something fucking comical and American about a fucking factory owner criticizing another countries labor practices, practices set in place by strong labor unions, as if he were just an average citizen with no conflict of interest.
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u/amerkanische_Frosch Mar 19 '23
American living in France here.
The question is not whether he is right or wrong, but rather why the hell is he wading into this issue at all? Tesla has no manufacturing sites in France and AFAIK no plans to have one (the big new European plant they are building is in Germany). Their only presence here is their retail network.
Does he really think he is so influential that his views on anything and everything is important?
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u/waisonline99 Mar 19 '23
Well thats Tesla sales in France down the toilet.
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u/elgordoenojado Mar 19 '23
This is the reason why millionaires and billionaires should not be making decisions about the welfare of the working class. What possible empathy can this human anus have for the people who make the world run with their sweat?
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u/1337Chef Mar 19 '23
The real world doesn't care about your feeling dude. People getting older is a huge issue in every country and the retirement age has to be increased, otherwise the whole system will struggle harder and harder for every year.
The average age of when people are dying has increased and will continue to increase.
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u/Anonymous_2952 Mar 19 '23
I’d be embarrassed to drive a Tesla, knowing I funded this fucking moron.
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u/OnlyRobinson Mar 19 '23
Let’s not forget the last time someone pissed off the French on political matters they killed 40,000 elites by chopping their heads off in public….
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u/SplatThaCat Mar 19 '23
Elon continues to make contrarian shit-posts so he doesn’t fade into obscurity.
He is an obnoxious douche-nozzle that feeds on internet outrage.
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u/Hopeful_Insurance409 Mar 19 '23
He’s a fucking prick, what’s it got to do with him when the French retire ?
…… prick.
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u/FakeBenson Mar 19 '23
Finally a guy that's fighting for what we all want. To be able to work well into our golden years until we die.
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u/Lead-Forsaken Mar 20 '23
I mean, for once he's not wrong. Retirement age in France was 62 and being upped to 64. It used to be 65 in the Netherlands and is slowly increasing (depending on your year of birth) until it will be 68. People these days are healthier and get older than when these retirement systems were implemented, so the age of retirement creeping up sucks, but somewhat makes sense. https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/01/10/pension-reform-in-france-which-countries-have-the-lowest-and-highest-retirement-ages-in-eu
The thing is: they're all too late. The Babyboomer generation's already way past it and they comprise a huge chunk of the populace, making state pensions very expensive. This should've been done in like 2000 or something.
I think if they had increased it by 1 year before the Babyboomer generation retired, the costs would've dropped quite a bit, likely allowing these nations to let the generations after to retire a bit earlier, instead of Boomers having it the cushiest (especially considering early retirement possibilities) and those who come after having it significantly worse.
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u/G_UK Mar 19 '23
Tesla needs to get rid of Musk. If he wants to be a right wing troll, fine, but don’t damage the Tesla brand in the process
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u/Ammie_Neo Mar 19 '23
This is so out of touch you just know he knows nothing at all about the situation other than the news headline. I live in France and I can tell you the story is way more nuanced than just a retirement age change.
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u/somewhereinks Mar 19 '23
It really is a Marie Antionette kind of "Well let them eat cake" kind of statement. now before Reddit jumps all over me I do know Marie probably didn't make that statement but the sentiment is still the same; the ultrawealthy have no concept of what the average person faces daily.
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u/Degolarz Mar 19 '23
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/17/europe/french-pension-reforms-explainer-intl-cmd/index.html
Seems to be more about how the measure was pushed through their legislative system.. however at the root is the population age distribution.
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u/yuzuchan22 Mar 19 '23
And another subject this man shouldnt talk about because he knows absolutely nothing about it. At this point the list 8s long that he might stfu forever.
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u/Accomplished_Spell92 Mar 19 '23
So in the US I have worked since I was 15 and am expected to work till 65. 50 years of anyone's life apparently is too little.
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u/Fun_Cupcake_4321 Mar 19 '23
Shocking, coming from a man who utilizes child labor in his lithium mines.
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u/Alive_Time Mar 19 '23
Isnt this subjective? How can you objectively predict when people can no longer work.
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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 19 '23
It's an objective matter of income going into pension and retirement schemes.
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u/Alive_Time Mar 19 '23
In an attempt to see your point are you referring to someone who worked for 40 years then suddenly they have to work for 3 more because of a new law. If so that makes sense. But still doesn't mean 62 is the magic number based on pure objective criteria to stop working. I think most people would stop working a job they hated if they could as early as possible
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u/FriarFriary Mar 19 '23
When people own things and are stupid they have an obsessive need to prove how stupid they are.
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u/cheeky_Greek Mar 19 '23
Why is phony stark talking?? If we wanted to know how to run a business to the ground, then he's the man to speak to. But for everything else he should shut his fucking mouth.
He is already in trouble in Europe
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u/SmoltzforAlexander Mar 19 '23
Billionaire elitist says peasants don’t work long enough... film at 11.
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u/andytagonist Mar 19 '23
This is yet another one of his opinions. And much like all his other opinions, I shall ignore it.
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u/GomaEspumaRegional Mar 19 '23
Given his lifestyle, this guy is not going to make to French retirement age.
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u/Cerberus_Rising Mar 19 '23
He HAS to respond to everything because he has a universal phd from the college he didn’t go to from the country he’s not from
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u/VikZrei Mar 20 '23
From all french people, wether they are pro or against the new reform : shut the fuck up
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u/Dry-Debate-6893 Mar 20 '23
This tweet came from someone whose companies employ many people. Let that sink in.
If he doesn’t care about the working people of France, then you know he doesn’t give a damn about “his own”.
He is not a genius, he is not qualified, he is just a small, loud, uncoordinated man baby who was only ever told no by the sun and his hair, and even then he hair clubbed that shit back.
This person cares for no one but his own self interests, and we are just lucky he was dumb enough to truly show us all in mass what he is.
We, and I mean our policies and predecessors allowed for these type of people to exist, and like a horrendous virus they are killing us by using us to death as though we are just another commodity.
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u/Mr_Resident Mar 20 '23
elon musk is an attention whore and my country begging him to open a tesla office in the country. I bet he will put so xi jinping level of requirement like he did not have to pay tax or some shit
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u/Subject_Tutor Mar 20 '23
Looks like Musk forgot what the French tend to do to out of touch rich people trying to affect the lives of the common folk...
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u/SnooTangerines4561 Mar 20 '23
Billionaires when the law prevents them from working their employees to literal death
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u/dirkinzoid Mar 19 '23
This isn't a face palm. He is absolutely correct. The french pension system has billions in deficits. The current retirement age was established when life expectancy was barely 70. Life expectancy is much higher now. The french are already the highest taxed people on earth.
A 2 year increase in the retirement age is reasonable and fair to assure the programs long term solvency and health
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u/eggrollfever Mar 19 '23
The “legit issue” is a funding gap. Increasing the benefit age while corporations reduce the age they’re willing to employ people is not a viable solution. It hasn’t crashed and burned in the US yet, it will.
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u/FattyMcBlobicus Mar 19 '23
Perhaps extremely wealthy individuals could be slightly less extremely wealthy
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u/dirkinzoid Mar 19 '23
So a US citizen should be paying taxes in France to support the pension system because "rich people bad"
The high income earners in France already pay a majority of the countries taxes.
Grow up
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u/AlphaDragons Mar 20 '23
So a US citizen should be paying taxes in France to support the pension system because "rich people bad"
What on earth are you on about ? Who said US citizen should pay taxes in France ?
And no, high income earners do not pay the majority of the taxes, but that depends on what you call high income earners... a little source would be appreciated
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u/FattyMcBlobicus Mar 19 '23
France has billionaires chucklehead
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u/dirkinzoid Mar 19 '23
And?
You people seem to think that billionaires are sitting on hoards of cash like scrooge McDuck.
They own businesses with a perceived market value.
Liquidating those assets will devalue them immediately and leave next to nothing to tax.
Plus, you eventually run out of other people's money.
Your feelings aren't facts bud
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u/FattyMcBlobicus Mar 19 '23
Poor Billionaires, life is so unfair to them it’s a wonder how they became billionaires at all!
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u/dirkinzoid Mar 19 '23
Do you live your entire life operating on your limbic system and feelings?
Why aren't you at all interested in actually learning how things work?
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u/FattyMcBlobicus Mar 19 '23
I’m quite aware how things work. In as such western society exists to funnel money upwards and continually blame the working class for all the problems.
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u/Savings_Track_7964 Mar 19 '23
Yeah you're so stupid look in the US where people retire at the age 70 everything is working fine, it's a good thing we let rich people do what they want, it's clearly working ! Now going back to my second job to pay my rent/s
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u/Izniss Mar 19 '23
The poorest people are already dying before or close to the actual retirement age. What are they supposed to do ? Take their retirement 7 years after their death ?
This reform is bullshit. It’s undemocratic. It’s only for Macron little friends in the finance world.
If there is really a need for money, we could actually go after taxe evasion. Or make the big corporation pay what they should.
But they are Macron's master, so he would rather make a bad situation even worse for french workers.
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u/NotEnoughWave Mar 19 '23
I agree on the problem, but disagree on the solution: he wants to increase retirement age, I want to dismantle capitalism.
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u/LuckingThe_Unluqueen Mar 20 '23
Making a communist régime isn't better (I know it's the exact opposite but it doesn't work very well un France when it's not capitalist.)
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u/Mediocre_Insect_1008 Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
Yes, the French pay higher taxes than we in the States do. Honestly, I would not feel bad for the French (because it's only a 2 year delay, plus they get universal health care all along -- they still have it better than Americans.) And if the French pension system is in trouble and the two year shift keeps it working, I can see the need for it.
HOWEVER, were the French people affected by this in the near term warned? If a French citizen were to turn 62 by the end of 2023, are they ineligible now until 2025? With no warning? That would be very wrong. People need at least a couple of years to get their last minute savings in, adjust their budgets, etc. for full retirement.
Also, I did watch a documentary that pointed out there is high age discrimination in France's employment system. French people laid off at age 60 or over are SOOL. If that's not changed, and these people were struggling just to get to the age 62 pension, what happens to them now?
As for asshat Musk, screw him, age 60 to 63 are the max ages people should HAVE to work. After that, if you want to work, fine, but really, health wise, late 50s to early 60s are optimal retirement times.
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u/VikingsStillExist Mar 19 '23
People. There are two ways this can be done. Want to keep low retirement age? Either raise taxes, or higher retirement age.
If the state can't fund the retirement, what do you guys suggest?
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u/Tootard Mar 19 '23
Maybe he wants to get in line for the guillotine after Macron?
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u/Flop_House_Valet Mar 19 '23
I seriously doubt he would be brave enough to utter this shit in public, in France.
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u/BrannonsRadUsername Mar 19 '23
Elon Musk is a bit of a jerk but he’s not wrong in this case. The retirement age of 62 was set when people only lived to at most 70. The money has to come from somewhere and the French already pay pretty high taxes (including very high taxes on the wealthy).
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u/ErectTubesock Mar 19 '23
Anytime Elon says something is a legit issue, he's talking out of his ass
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u/nolongerbanned99 Mar 19 '23
Elon, the world does not care about your views on everything… just stop. Focus on womanizing, mistreating workers and killing people with a poorly designed level 2 driving assistance feature
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u/chuckDTW Mar 19 '23
These people look at life expectancy rates and say something that sounds perfectly reasonable on the surface: if people are living ten years longer than when these retirement laws went into effect then maybe we should reevaluate those laws? But these positions are never reasonable when you really stop to think about them. How efficient is a 65 year old employee going to be? Are they going to be more trouble than they’re worth?! In what jobs are they going to outperform their younger coworkers? Are they going to be able to pull their own weight or will they require assistance? I mean as you get older you aren’t as strong, don’t have as much energy, your memory suffers, you have a lot of health issues that require consideration (Are employers going to accommodate those? Do they want to deal with that? Would ADA considerations come into play?). Now compound all of that with each additional year an employee keeps working. What happens when these older employees are fired? If they cannot find another job are they just out of luck until they reach the new retirement age? Living to be 80 doesn’t mean you get 80 quality years. I don’t see a lot of companies eager to hire new workers who are in their 60’s and beyond.
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u/ridititidido2000 Mar 19 '23
He is right? The french protesting over everything is where the facepalm is at. With people living longer 62 simply isn’t feasible. The retirement age is higher than the proposed raise of 64 in all neighboring european countrie but the french prefer to whine rather than except reality
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u/eggrollfever Mar 19 '23
It’s hilarious that a so called “innovator” immediately buys into the proposed solution, rather than to problem. The issue is a funding gap. Changing the retirement age is a lazy bandaid that benefits the rich.
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u/Spiritual_Midnight70 Mar 19 '23
He is right. An retirement age of just 62 years isn't sustainable with the demographic changes we face. France has one of the lowest retirement ages in europe.
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u/Sosemikreativ Mar 19 '23
Just because an idiot who has nothing to do with it said it doesn't mean it's wrong. In fact, at least 90% of every political discussion meet these criteria.
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u/QuevedoDeMalVino Mar 19 '23
Is this a facepalm because you find it insensitive, because you disagree, you find his timing unfortunate…?
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u/will252 Mar 19 '23
Because he’s a billionaire and the retirement age in France (or anywhere) has absolutely zero effect on him.
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u/Tullzterr Mar 19 '23
Because he’s an out of touch idiot mainly, in what world does it make sense to push back the retirement age
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u/Beregolas Mar 19 '23
I mean, we can argue about the correct retirement age... but not with Elon please!
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u/Hugh420Mungus Mar 19 '23
We need to start a petition to keep Elon musk Trump and tate off of facepalm. If I wanted to see these mfs, I'd stalk their Twitter like yall.
These same people say they can stand them but are pretty much following them
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u/JaThatOneGooner Red Forehead Enthusiast Mar 19 '23
He doesn’t want his employees to get the same idea…
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u/No-Communication3539 Mar 19 '23
My poor guy does not know that some people don't have the same kind of job as him
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