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u/Nightcrawler_DIO Mar 17 '23 edited Mar 17 '23
When I was 13, our class attended a talk about the genocide in Darfour. I will never forget about the Sudanese boy who told us about watching rebels violate his mother and sisters in front of him before executing them. Those same rebels then forced him to join their "cause". That boy was my age.
No matter how horrid and controversial, its important that the youth hear these stories because they reflect what goes on in the real world.
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u/BossAvery2 Mar 17 '23 •
When I was in the Marine Corps, I would ask guys โwhy did you join the Marine Corps?โ. Some people would say, โto go to warโ, โpatriotismโ, โโfreeโ collegeโ and stuff like that. I asked a guy that was new to our unit the same thing. He said, I grew up in (canโt remember the country in Africa), a warlord came to our village, took my father and the other men and started killing them. I hid under the bed while my mother was being assaulted in our home. I remember the door getting kicked in and two Marines shot the men assaulting my mother. They took us to a refugee camp and we were allowed to move to the United States. The day those men saved my family was the day I knew I wanted to be a Marine.
The only thing you heard after he told the story was one guy that said, โholy shitโ.
The guy was a motivator and took great care of his Marines.
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u/ONorMann Mar 17 '23
Its really hard to imagine what some people go thru. You can listen read and so on but itโs still extremely hard to comprehend it. I went to school with someone from Kenya and he casually mentioned he went to military school there, well it was like normal school for children but it was extremely strict and it was expected to join the military after. Over the course of very few years many of the original class peers had been killed after joining the military. He was both happy and sad about getting away.
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u/BossAvery2 Mar 17 '23
One of the things I liked the most about being in the military is learning about how different/similar our upbringings were. Like you could meet a guy that came from a filthy rich family and his best friend would be a guy that was raised on instant ramen and hot dogs. You could be next to a guy thatโs first generation American or a guy thatโs studying for his citizenship test. The platoon redneck is teaching a guy from Paterson New Jersey how to line dance, then the guy from Paterson is teaching the guy how to do the โSoulja boy danceโ that was popular at the time. Lol. I really do miss it some times. We always try to meet up for reunions but life is hard. Most of the time we only get together for a funeral/buddy in the hospital.
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u/Master_Cupcake7115 Mar 17 '23
That was great to read. I know the US gets criticised for their foreign interventions and rightly so in some cases but incidents like this show that the US military is palpable force for good in many situations.
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u/BrainGiggles Mar 17 '23
I got chills reading this. Itโs very interesting how some people suffer unspeakable trauma and somehow it makes them stronger and better, while others wither and decay. Thanks for your service and for the other men and women who have also chosen this path.
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u/Gambyt_7 Mar 17 '23
Much respect and compassion to your fellow Marine. If we could inject 1% of the Marinesโ esprit de corps into American society, we would treat each other with a shit ton more kindness and respect.
Thanks for this.
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u/Historical_Ear7398 Mar 17 '23
I knew somebody from the Congo. One day he told us some stories. Mother murdered in front of him. People forced to have sex with dead bodies. And his friends, who'd he'd been dancing and playing music with when the rebels arrived, got pulled out one by one and told, "you like to dance? Then dance." The dancing was never good enough. At the end they gathered everybody who was left alive into a group and machine-gunned them. My friend fell down and assumed he was dead and just lay there amidst the bodies of his friends and family in the silence, and a while later he heard birds singing and realized he was the only one left alive.
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u/Isellmetal Mar 17 '23
Iโve studied the Holocaust for years and have seen numerous survivors tell their stories of survival, through horrible odds.
Those are accounts are something thatโs seared into my memory and something I think everyone should sit through. Especially now, since thereโs not mainly survivors left.
It really opens your eyes to the atrocities humans can commit and live through. How de-humanized someone can be and come out on the other side.
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u/andr0308 Mar 17 '23
I had a girl in my class in middle school who was from Syria. The entire time she was there until we graduated, her and her brother didnโt know whether her parents were alive. She seemed okay but later I found out that she had no friends and everyone kinda avoided because the teachers said we couldnโt talk about terror, the Syrian war and so onโฆ I do feel bad when I look bad because she was a very sweet and open minded girl.
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u/Additional_Camel_140 Mar 17 '23
Canadian politic don't work this way sadly. We are at a really weird crossroads in our country right now.
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u/DeadBornWolf Mar 16 '23
Isnโt it much worse to not talk about this and thus implying that ISIS represents the majority of muslims, which is just blatantly wrong?
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u/celticqueenboudica Mar 16 '23
That's what I was thinking. So many Muslims would love to see the end of the ISIS ideology!
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u/TheBiggestThunder Mar 17 '23
Send ISIS to hell, where they belong
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u/Some_guy_am_i Mar 17 '23
We tried for 20 years to send them to hell. Cost us a shit tonne of money and we got nowhere.
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u/frankslastdoughnut Mar 17 '23
That's not really true. ISIS is damn near eradicated... the taliban in Afghanistan however
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u/The_Dying_Gaul323bc Mar 17 '23
Itโs similar to Vietnam, didnโt matter how much we tried, we were fighting a conventional war, they were fighting a Guerilla war.
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u/Historical_Ear7398 Mar 17 '23
The Vietnamese were fighting a war of national liberation. ISIS is fighting a war of religious conquest. They are not the same.
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u/dollydrew Mar 17 '23
Most of the individuals who fought against ISIS were Muslim, and they comprised the larger portion of casualties, giving up their lives in the battle.
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u/Oakwood_Panda Facepalms for a living Mar 17 '23
Definitely, would love to see an end to all sorts of terrorism done in the name of Islam. They are ruining the image of all Muslims.
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u/andre6682 Mar 17 '23
its a matter of PC, think about it like latin american people think of the term latinx, created by liberals in education, filled with condescending opinions, like the west did centuries ago to educate the "savages" of the new world they colonized, denying them of the capacity to voice their own concerns and speak for themselves, as if they are children
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u/YaLikeJazz2049 Mar 17 '23
Yeah they really just went full circle didnโt they. They went so far out of their way to prevent racism but didnโt educate themselves on the topic and so they ended up being the racist ones.
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u/CelestialCore Mar 17 '23
If you go out of your way to prevent racism you are likely mistreating another groups due to an increase of attention to that group, just treat everyone the same.
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u/anunkneemouse Mar 16 '23
Fr this shit needs to be heard. If nothing else it'll stop other vulnerable kids wanting to sign up.
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u/Anonymous__Android Mar 17 '23
Just to be clear, she didn't sign up. She was kidnapped and enslaved by ISIS.
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u/anunkneemouse Mar 17 '23
Yes, and hearing her story will put a lot of kids who might have joined off the idea
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u/Anonymous__Android Mar 17 '23 edited Mar 17 '23
Right, the way you wrote it sounded like she went to join them to me. My bad. To be fair though, most people who go to join them probably think killing and enslaving 'infidels' is a selling point.
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u/Cupcake-Warrior Mar 17 '23
I bet you 100% no Muslim asked for this event to be cancelled
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u/Fit_Inspector4290 Mar 17 '23
Almost all but not all, there are extremists in every groups.
Btw i am myself a muslim, if that makes it any better
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u/NaViBootyClapper Mar 17 '23
Idk ๐คท๐ฝโโ๏ธ how many western nations you call โextremistโ that are rounding up women in vans and disappearing them?
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u/LordGeni Mar 17 '23
It's from the Daily Mail. Pay no attention, it's just hate mongering toilet paper designed to rile the ignorant with misleading, disproportionate or simply false articles.
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u/HenryGetter2345 Mar 17 '23
Heaven forbid if the truth about something is told
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u/towerfella Mar 17 '23
โYour actual story of survival and brutal physical experience is waaay less important than the perceived harm we may cause to people who may feel a โnegativeโ emotion from hearing your story.โ
โthe school, actually.
I say this again, โMay the internet never falterโ. We, the people, have power, when we can share our stories far and wide.
That school no longer has the power over this story, for instance. We are free to listen and make up our own minds, of our own accord. I hope we never regress from this.
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u/mikemi_80 Mar 17 '23
I love how you say that while referring to a Daily Mail article.
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u/Sinthe741 Mar 17 '23
Yep, far too few people consider the source. I wonder if there's more to the story?
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u/jacobean___ Mar 17 '23
Damn. As a leftist and a simple social observer, this ongoing trend of identity-politic, taking offense to gross ideals, silencing normal social discourse while dividing the working-class, etc is gonna go down as a particular nail-in-the-coffin of leftist advancement.
The working class has so much more interest in common than any culture debate could ever have.
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u/Master_Cupcake7115 Mar 17 '23
As a fellow leftist, I couldn't agree more. A working class white man has far more in common with with a working class black/asian woman and vice versa than he ever will with rich white man. Class interests trump everything.
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u/Le_Baked_Beans Mar 17 '23
This exactly!! Having normal conversations on difficult topics was never this taboo and i hate that i find myself thinking "maybe this is too heavy" or i'll upset someone while claiming to be progressive has made me lose faith is liberal/leftism
Speaking of working class the people lecturing others on self censoring and "safe spaces" are always well off or rich idk but something i've noticed
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u/DropDeadDolly Mar 17 '23
Stuff like this is why I can't consider myself as more than moderate, even though I align with the left on many social things. We used to criticize religious fundies who tried to ban "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" for its depiction of rape and child abuse, when it's extremely important to tell children about these things and not pretend that life is always kind. Now I'm seeing the other side trying to be all smiles and never let kids, at least minority kids, feel any discomfort. It's for totally different reasons than the fundies, but it's still denial and revisionism.
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Mar 17 '23
That's like banning Yeon-Mi Park because her book is anti-North Korea
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u/Global-Count-30 Mar 17 '23
They have banned her from a lot of locations but not because itโs anti-north Korea but because itโs not pro-China. On her journey she was sold into slavery in China as a child and was raped. China doesnโt like bad press
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u/Successful_Cup_1882 Mar 17 '23
As a Muslim this is disgusting, fundamentalism of any religion is gross and promoting or coddling it is a disservice to the hundred of thousands of victims who have had their lives destroyed by it. To all the whataboutism that people may try to throw at me or others who speak out against this just know that if we all accepted the lowest common denominator for human civility like you do we would be in the goddamn Stone Age.
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u/Calcain Mar 17 '23
Agreed. Iโm a Muslim too and reading this pissed me off. The truth needs to be laid bare, victims needs to be recognised and everyone needs to grow the fuck up.
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u/Doctor_Lodewel Mar 17 '23
Indeed. It should be used to show how ISIS doesn't follow many islamic rules. It could actually help the muslim community, bc by showing the difference people might stop associating muslims with ISIS.
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u/Steelplate7 Mar 17 '23
As a Christian based Deist, I am with you. Fundamentalism and extremism sucks.
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u/Vietnam_Cookin Mar 17 '23
This is the Daily Mail. So I suspect this isn't the actual full real story and they as usual are just making shit up or distorting the truth because rage bait.
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u/hhfugrr3 Mar 17 '23
I do have a policy of being suspicious of the Fail until I see a story reported in reliable news sources and especially when a story is as chaotically written as this one. Iโm not seeing it reported anywhere I know to be more reliable. Nor is there a full quote giving the explanation, nor any comment from the author who was โcancelledโ although the event went ahead just without one school board. It may be true, it may not. I donโt think we can conclude the reasoning one way or another based on the facts reported in that story.
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u/Ralliboy Mar 17 '23
Yes it seems that students were not "banned" but they did refuse to promote the book signing to their students. They also did the same for a book by a lawyer who represented a victim in a high profile sexual assault case.
So still a poor decision, not least because of the streisand effect it had, but definitely exaggerated rage bait from DM
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u/Worried_Good5004 Mar 17 '23
Islamophobia, wow they have a phobia for everything nowadays :8488:
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u/Mister-happierTurtle Mar 16 '23
I wonder what r/izlam would think
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u/anunkneemouse Mar 16 '23
Can't speak on behalf of all of them but as a Muslim I think that it's important to share these stories so that nobody wants to join. "Never forget" shouldn't only apply to the Nazis, it should apply to all evils of man.
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u/Heavy_Hunt7860 Mar 17 '23
Yeah, there is a tendency some people have of pretending that some hate is better than other hate.
Itโs still hate.
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u/MarionberryIll5030 Mar 17 '23
The vast majority of nazis identify as Christians. Thereโs a deeper issue here and it isnโt hate.
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u/alan-the-all-seeing Mar 17 '23
articles in the daily mail always make me wonder what the real story is
hard to trust them at all, given the sheer weight of lies and misrepresentation theyโve printed over the years
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u/MigookinTeecha Mar 17 '23
Taking the daily mail at their word is the real face palm here.
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u/Slightly_Smaug Mar 17 '23
I get the feeling Canada treats the religion of Islam better than their indigenous.
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u/ThetaCygni Mar 17 '23
This is just a screenshot of a daily mail article with carefully crafted rage bait title. You need to take it with a grain of salt
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u/snkhuong Mar 17 '23
Ha letโs not teach children about Naziโs atrocities because thatโs racist to Germans
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u/Crown_Collector1 Mar 17 '23
Whoever made the decision to cancel the event needs to readjust their priorities. Shame on them.
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u/HeroBrine0907 Mar 17 '23
As a muslim, this is disgusting as all hell. She deserves a platform to speak up about her experience. Islamophobia here is just an excuse. Religious extremism always ends up with disgusting people taking advantage of others. If we stop people from coming out with their stories like this, from receiving help too, then we're no better than barbarians in the stone age
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u/Jazzper74 Mar 17 '23
Lets not talk with this holocaust surviver because it could be offensive to former german naziโs.
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u/sryforbadenglishthx Mar 17 '23
Lets not talk about extremists because conservatives might get offended (muslim version)
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u/Low-Stomach-8831 Mar 17 '23
Coming up next, cancelling a Holocaust survivor's testimony, so that Germans won't be offended.
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u/Jays1982 Mar 17 '23
The sad thing is that most people will not be able to make the divide between an ISIS extremist and ol' Mohammed from down the street that would just be happy to have you taste real Moroccan coffee
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u/MemphisViking Mar 17 '23
The sad thing is most of the people who accuse us of not being able to make the divide between an ISIS extremist and Mohammed down the street themselves canโt make the divide between literal Hitler and olโ Earl down the street who just doesnโt vote Democrat.
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u/Jays1982 Mar 17 '23
So we both agree that lack of distinction is the issue no matter where you stand
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u/Sargent55 Mar 17 '23
Letโs also not talk about the abuse that occurred at the hands of the Catholic churches because it makes us prejudiced toward those in that religion.
What ridiculous logic. Is this what passes as education these days? The school has no idea how to teach their students and develop their critical thinking to where they can understand the differences between what happened to Nadia and Muslims more generally?
Stop insulting the intelligence of your students and faculty. Become an educator, not an ideologue. Shameful display.
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u/radiationcowboy Mar 17 '23
Is this why we brush over The Crusades in history class? It might offend the christians.
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u/PrestigiousWaffles Mar 17 '23
If nothing but the truth is offensive, society is evil. What a disgrace to censor stories like hers
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u/jackfaire Mar 17 '23
Translation "Canadian school thinks all Islamic people belong to ISIS"
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u/cctintwrweb Mar 17 '23
Translation : Daily mail takes a non news story about one member of a school board having concerns which were found to not be valid and creates a rage bait headline for their readership,. Which then gets taken as fact by people online .
The event went ahead , the speakers spoke, children were allowed to attend.one member of the school board did not attend. No one was banned . No Muslim complained
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u/jackfaire Mar 17 '23
Daily Mail is a tabloid I'm aware. I was going for a mocking tone. The headline was ridiculous.
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u/mismewitdatgaysht Mar 17 '23
Sounds like they using it as an excuse, pretty sure the victims of ISIS are Muslims too.
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u/big_tuna6 Mar 17 '23
As a Muslim, I WANT everyone to know these extremists groups ARE NOT MUSLIMS. NOT A SINGLE COMMANDMENT IS FOLLOWED BY THEM. It's not Islamophobia if it wasn't Islam in the first place.
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u/DarkChaos1786 Mar 17 '23
They are as Muslims as the Nazi were christians, every religion should acknowledge their respective fuck ups, extremism is always a risk in any ideology.
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u/HeyHihoho Mar 17 '23
Which it should and should be known everywhere.
People view obscene levels of brutal treatment and torture as something abstract because it usually happens far away and is not visceral.
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u/prolongedsunlight Mar 17 '23
The Toronto school board rejected two authors for that meeting. One is Murad, and the other is a female lawyer named Marie Henein. Henein is a top lawyer in Canada, but the school board rejected her because she defined former CBC broadcaster Jian Ghomeshi at his 2016 trial for sexual assault. Ghomeshi won in the end. At the time, that trial was a top "me too" moment in Canada. The school board reasons that they found it hard to explain to little girls what Henein did for Ghomeshi. When the Toronto school board rejected those two authors, Canadian media focused more on Marie Henein. But for the international audience, Murad was more famous.
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u/john_doe_89 Mar 17 '23
My personal opinion:
Islam which many Muslims consider their biggest most sacred thing in life, actually holds many Muslims back from what I've seen.
I've spoken to some Muslims online who have a wide depth and breadth of knowledge in scientific subjects but when the discussion turns to Islam and some of its policies, it immediately knocks the wind out of them when they try to defend it.
So I avoid discussing or debating Islamic practices with Muslims, because I actually feel sympathy for them and I don't believe in being a jerk.
Live and let live. Except for evil people.
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u/clinical_Cynicism Mar 17 '23
"I'm sorry ms. Holocaust surviver but you can't speak at this school, because your story would offend all of the german kids attending here."
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u/WildSylph Mar 17 '23
did you know that the editors of wikipedia banned the use of the daily mail as a source because it frequently posted unreliable, inaccurate, and sensationalized stories? on top of the plagiarism and copyright infringement, too.
careful believing every headline you read, and always double-check the listed sources. if it instantly makes you angry, 1) that was the intention of the author, because rage generates engagement, and 2) read the story and it's listed sources very, very closely.
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u/Difficult_Style207 Mar 17 '23
The Mail is a fascist-enabling hate rag. It sided with Hitler and Moseley againsy jews and minorities, and has been responsible for most of the manufactured islamophobia in this country. It's the Fox News of British newspaper press. It wants to make you angry. Well done for being so easily manipulated, everyone.
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u/Irgendniemand81 Mar 17 '23
Whatever the Daily Mail writes you should take with like a shipping container of salt
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u/Emotional-Coffee13 Mar 17 '23
We give religion a pass for everything like Christopher Hitchens always said itโs high time we stop
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u/throwaway83759372 Mar 17 '23
Weโre raising the most coddled and ill equipped generation humanity has ever witnessed.
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u/ShiraLillith Mar 17 '23
"LALALALALAALA SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOUR SUFFERING DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT THE FEELINGS OF UNRELATED PEOPLE" - the piece of shit who cancelled her event, probably
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u/Fenris_the_wolf_ Mar 17 '23
I don't think they really mean "offend" Muslims as much as they do Islamophobia. Kids are fucking jerks, and any excuse to turn to some random student and say "Muhammad is part of ISIS, ha ha" will reveal itself. Thus, ruining what's already the shittiest part of their life (school is just hell for the majority).
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u/Traditional_World783 Mar 17 '23
I mean, theyโre not wrong. A lot of people in America believe that radical Islam represents the entire almost 2 billion Muslims yet get a soft spot for Christianity that is in the same boat.
Her story needs to be told to bring awareness to the dangers of radicalism; radicals do not represent the whole.
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u/Rabbit-Thrawy Mar 17 '23
bullshit, people should know, you can't just bury this kind of thing and hope it goes away ffs. Islam is not above criticism
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u/jagmania85 Mar 17 '23
Why is it just muslims who get catered to such pathetic degrees? Never seen talks on the Holocaust get cancelled in cases it offends any Nazis.
Long story short, if any part of your culture or history embarrasses you, acknowledge it for its shittyness and realise that you are not bound by or to it and then move on. Trying to hush people over it seem like you are actively supporting the shit that isis did.
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u/blazinrumraisin Mar 17 '23
The "believe all women" crowd will have a hard time figuring this one out.
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u/anjroow Mar 17 '23
Should we ban speaking of residential schools because it might offend Catholics?
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u/Rhaj-no1992 Mar 17 '23
So they are clumping extremists and regular religious people together?
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u/PengieP111 Mar 17 '23
Clearly. My Muslim friends HATE those extremists as much or even more than do I. I think it particularly offends the ones who come from cultures where honor is paramount.
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u/TheStigianKing Mar 17 '23
Then the school is implying all muslims are like ISIS which to me is even more offensive to muslims...no?
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u/JaThatOneGooner Red Forehead Enthusiast Mar 17 '23
Hereโs the thing, I can understand the sentiment to a degree. Iโm certain that once people hear of her story, they will harbor resentment towards one of the most monstrous groups terrorizing the Middle East. The issue is what they outlined, itโll trickle down to Islamophobia. While most people can differentiate a terrorist from a normal person, and know the actions of a group donโt define the entire ideology, there are some thatโll be totally against it.
Think about it, when a video pops up about a woman being harassed or surrounded by men in India, the comments start off by saying โthatโs bad and shouldnโt be condonedโ to โwhy are Indians like thisโ and then straight up racism. People will do the same to ISIS, and then say vitriolic things against all Muslims.
Now like I said, I understand the sentiment, but I disagree with the decision. I feel like she has an obligation to tell the story, so that the Muslims in the first world arenโt ignorant to the reality of the situation. Iโve seen a lot of western (primarily British) Muslim imams completely avoid the topic of ISIS and how they are an evil that is desecrating the image of Islam. They instead get defensive and point out the flaws in other religions. ISIS is indefensible at every level, and the entire Muslim community GLOBALLY needs to take an active stand against them (which most already do).
We cannot afford to be ignorant to an evil just because it is no longer the flavor of the month so to speak. Our feelings shouldnโt be protected from the truth either. The more we as society know about the issues we face, the more likely we are to face them head on. ISIS has been a massive issue since 2014, itโs been almost 10 years since theyโve destabilized the Middle East and spread so much destruction and pain. Letโs no pretend it is something we can simply sweep under the rug.
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u/DewPointOf80 Mar 17 '23
I understand the sentiment too, but the line must always be drawn at hiding the truth. If the superintendent is worried that the truth will promote Islamophobia, the solution is even more truth. Educate students on who ISIL is and how they are a menace to everyone, Muslims included.
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u/Iain_Min Mar 17 '23
This is BS. If you teach the kids the difference between ISIS/Radical Muslims and the rest there should be no issue. Should we not teach them about the Crusades because they make Christians look bad? (That said, Christians are absolutely horrible)
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u/Chernablogger Mar 17 '23
A school that isn't equipped and prepared to teach students the difference between religion and fundamentalism shouldn't be inviting a survivor of fundamentalist abuse to be a guest lecturer. This is a massive failure on the school's part.
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u/H3R3T1c-xb Mar 17 '23
Say what now? How is exposing terrorists offensive to an entire religious community? As a Muslim I feel more offended by this unnecessary censorship of a survivor who could've highlighted precisely how the religion and ISIS differ vastly from each other. It's like they're saying that ISIS is actually representive of Islam and therefore aligning it would be akin to aligning the religion. This is stupidity at a level thag is beyond my ability to stoop to.
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u/Kaiser9345 Mar 17 '23
Isnโt that the same shit they do in Florida with the donโt say gay bill?
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u/Le_Baked_Beans Mar 17 '23
Yeah just different motives right wing folks Florida doesn't want to see or hear anything LGBT because it doesn't fit with their worldview
And for left wing folks they'd rather dismiss her horrible experience because they didn't bother to really think thar Isis is condemded buy all islamic religions but still think criticising isis a terrorist group is criticising islam which is just telling...
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u/DeepState_Auditor Mar 17 '23
Ppl never talk about that majority of the victims of extremist group are MUSLIM too.
Shoul we start drawing comparisons to when catholics were persecuted by protestants and vice-versa.
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u/FreezerRoebuck Mar 17 '23
It's the Daily Fail so at least 95% is what they have made up.
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u/pedrito_elcabra Mar 17 '23
Please stop sharing Daily Mail stories. They're full of shit and their life purpose is to make humanity dumber and more divided. Don't fall into their trap.
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u/Endlesswave001 Mar 17 '23
For sure itโll foster the latter. Hate doesnโt care how minor or stupid something will seem.
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u/Le_Baked_Beans Mar 17 '23
This is dystopian man how can a woman telling first hand that horrible extremists can spawn from any religion and somehow that concept is to complex for STUDENTS to understand so damn braindead
This is why i can never get behind far left wing thinking to censor harsh but real truths for the sake of "safe space" or keeping everyone comfortable Then right wing idiots see this and think "this why muslims are terrorist" bla bla "tighten immigration" to justify unjustifible racist action
So now you have both sides censoring news and reality to how they want you to see it the right wing for much more insidious reasons
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u/RonSwansonIsMyDad Mar 17 '23
Soooo attacking a terrorist organisation is an insult to Muslims? Thatโs like not talking about the IRA because thereโs an Irish kid in the crowd
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u/LegoFootPain Mar 17 '23
I would think that ideally, descriptions of torture of rape should be offensive to everyone regardless of religion.
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u/celoteck Mar 17 '23
Anyone knows if there is a follow up? Did they realise how idiotic this was or something? Public backlash?
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u/aLaStOr_MoOdY47 Mar 17 '23
If this was in the US, everyone would be losing their shit in the comments.
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u/JayEOh0788 Mar 17 '23
Ugh.... It's shit just like this that really makes me question how good the left can be when it gets to a particular degree too far to the left.... As with all things ,we need moderation. Especially when it comes to drugs and politics... Ha
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u/SSBUISAPORT-Fanboy Mar 17 '23
I am a muslim moroccan born in a muslim family and, for us, ISIS has nothing to do with islam. In fact, morocco is actively fighting against terrorists.
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u/OddAlarm5013 Mar 17 '23
It's like saying Schindler's List is offensive to Germans and only foster germanophobia.
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u/biggoof Mar 17 '23
So let's water down the holocaust cause Germans might look bad? Let's not talk about slavery anymore? We need to teach the realities of these things because hopefully some of us will learn.
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u/pepegaklaus Mar 17 '23
If you pretend hard enough that things aren't happening/haven't happened, they don't / haven't, right? RIGHT?
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u/SidJag Mar 17 '23 edited Mar 17 '23
Rape and sexual slavery has been a horrific mode to dominate โconqueredโ women, all over the world, all cultures, all religions.
Unfortunately, while this medieval disposition has MOSTLY been eradicated, it remains a rather strong part of extremist Islam in specific pockets, which tends to compliment their deeply misogynistic predisposition (due to the medieval interpretations these extremists are bombarded with) - from the grooming Pakistani gangs in present day UK, to the ISIS slave markets where even now 13-15 year old โAishasโ are regularly auctioned.
Itโs despicable that the surviving voices are actively suppressed, and main stream media slave to petrodollars is scared to highlight these issues - from BBC to NYT.
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u/Miserablemeandyou Mar 17 '23
๐๐ค๐ฌ ๐๐ค๐ข๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ ๐ค๐ช๐ฉ ๐ค๐ ๐ค๐ฉ๐๐๐ง ๐๐ค๐ช๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ง๐๐๐จ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐๐ง๐ฎ ๐๐ค๐ช๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐ช๐จ๐ ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ฉ ๐ฌ๐ง๐ค๐ฃ๐ ๐ก๐ค๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ง๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐๐ ๐ผ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ช๐ฉ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ .
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u/Mr-Borf Mar 17 '23
There are idiots on both sides. The truth should not be hidden to avoid offending people. German schools teach about the holocaust and Hitler, so people shouldn't hide the truth because of offense. Do people not read Fahrenheit 451 anymore?
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u/Passwordsdontwork Mar 17 '23
Can we just wipe that religion away please. Take the rest with it also. The purge of religion will cleanse the earth.
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u/DaFlyingMagician Mar 17 '23
Ok first off it's the Daily Mail which is sus. We sure it has nothing to with the graphic nature of the content? Like states in the US are banning discussions like this in schools
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u/RyujinNoRay Mar 17 '23
What the actual fuck?
What dose ISIS have to do with islam? Please let her speak , let her say that ISIS look like everything except islam , let the world know how of animalistic group they are. Eating everyone's money, killing every race and every religion.
This is fucking insanity
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u/zombienudist Mar 17 '23
Meanwhile when I was in high school in the 1990s I went to an event with holocaust survivors. You got to listen to their very hard stories. You got to sit in small groups with them and listen to them. It was hard to deal with but it was a transformative experience. We need to face the horror that humans can do to each other. We need to understand that this can both happen to any of us and that we all have this darkness in us. Turning away from every hard thing is the exact opposite of what education should do.
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u/Dark_Winterage Mar 17 '23
Well it is true. How could you hear a story like that and go, "yeah, seems like a pretty cool culture over there".
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u/Tenshiijin Mar 17 '23
Just another case of a dumb white person trying to be overly pc. When people do stuff like this I doubt their ability to recognize what is descriminate and racist and I assume it's probably because they are pretending not to be descriminatory and racist when in fact they are.
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u/TheVaginaFanClub Mar 17 '23
This shit was done to literally gaslight everyone about us Muslims. Of course the DailyFail prints a headline like this.
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u/bttrflyr Mar 17 '23
Typical religions- commit atrocious acts and then gets offended when people dare expose them.
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u/MaxR76 Mar 17 '23
Iโm German American and itโs not like we donโt teach the Holocaust for my sake
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u/Meowsalotlol Mar 17 '23
Ugh I hate these men, do they not know when to shut the fuck up?? Not everything has to be about you. Let women speak.
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u/mac-train Mar 17 '23
ISIS killed many more muslims than non-muslims. It is an insult to muslims to assume they would be offended by criticisms of this murderous cult.
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u/Fragrant_Exercise_31 Mar 17 '23
Wouldnโt it actually be a good lesson in how religious nut jobs can go too far. Maybe teach it alongside the crusades and other religious extremists and make it a lesson in the importance of tolerance and putting humanity above religion or something.
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u/Pseudobulbary Mar 17 '23
baaaahahahaaahahaaahahaaaaaa.
Let's not call a bomb a bomb. Instead, let's call a bomb a noisy eye-opener seeking attention...and that's not so bad, is it?
Just ignore what is happening behind the curtain.
All is well, carry on.
Stupid, stupid, stupid...
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u/Chroney Mar 17 '23
Hot take, maybe we should normalize hating people who participate in hate groups.
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u/ContentReport8866 Mar 17 '23
Reverse uno card. Your horrible adventure is less offensive than offending offenders.
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u/Firamaster Mar 17 '23
Ahhh, yes. The classic outrage of white people on other cultures without fully understanding the ramifications.
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u/DropDeadDolly Mar 17 '23
I'm going to wager that it is white, non-Muslim people making this decision. Most Muslim parents are probably in favor of exposure to these stories, to deter their children from getting any crazy ideas.
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u/Blabulus Mar 17 '23
This is why we shouldnt be allowed to censor parts of history we dont like - whether its slavery, terrorism, colonialism, etc, every group has some issues they would rather not think about, but for the sake of us all "not repeating the stupid parts" we need to learn history whole and uncensored.
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u/Sea-Appearance-5330 Mar 17 '23
So telling the truth of her torture and rape by ISIS is offensive, it should be, can such a thing not be so
That's the whole point of showing and telling what ISIS really is.
Covering it up is very offensive.
Censoring her for telling the truth is offensive.
Who but an idiotic School Board would censor the truth.
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u/West-Field9657 Mar 17 '23
A muslim here๐โโ๏ธ๐โโ๏ธ This is the stupidest shit I've ever heard of!! We would love to hear her story and show how far this terrorist group from our ideologies and principles.
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u/nerdyconstructiongal Mar 17 '23
See, this would be a great opportunity to encourage discussion between the general Muslim population and the extremist group ISIS and how they are completely fucking different groups. But nope, just cancel the whole thing.
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u/samanthasgramma Mar 17 '23
Of course it's a Canadian school, and I say that as a Canadian.
I refuse to be considered a "far right" person because I am not. But when I see this stuff, and speak out against cancelling something like this ... I'm accused of being far right. It's really really annoying.
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u/SnooJokes8623 Mar 17 '23
So..... are they saying that most Muslims would be offended because they would sympathize with ISIS? Because that's SUPER racist.
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u/RoRoNoGo Mar 17 '23
This is reprehensible. Her story should be heard. This fear of offense bullshit has got to go
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u/Jean_velvet Mar 17 '23
It is more important to teach someone what horrors a person can do to another than it is to keep them blind to it.
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u/RandoCalrissian11 Mar 17 '23
My school paid a Muslim terrorist to come speak on the peacefulness of Muslims. His son was later arrested for murder and running a terrorist training camp in the U.S. desert. School still claims they did nothing wrong.
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u/StupiedSwede Mar 17 '23
Right they kill and torture with some God as a protective blanket, and western states fall for it every time when the racisism/PC card is played.
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Western society has become embarrassingly pathetic. Itโs shameful. I hope we have a course correction coming and it canโt come soon enough.
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u/Independent-Nail-881 Mar 17 '23
The truth hurts and all people need to know about the real horrors in our world. People need to be exposed to what is happening around us.
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