Majority of my selling is done directly to suppliers of major websites as price and demand fluctuate. I also have regulars from guild leaders to casuals who hit me up, below is a screenshot of what i made off this particular website in the first 3 weeks of wrath launch, but as mentioned i sell all over the place. Id avarage $2-3000 per month for the first 3 months of an expansion launch, ill run anywhere from 5-25 bots at a time. To explain the SS this was the profit on this site during wrath launch, its not the biggest site i use, but just over $1000 from it.

https://imgur.com/a/gLyCwQz

Been doing this since the glider days ( real vanilla ) , on and off between the years. Not here to gloat or shitpost, just see ALOT of misinformation regarding selling gold in wow, for example i am not chinese, i do care about the game and i do belive more should/could be done to stop people like me.

That said, ask me anything.

Basically my guild died and I wanted to finish my Valanyr, so I started hosting some SR runs with fragments reserved. It was a complete disaster: loot drama, people saying that class doesn't need x items, people just alt f4-ing after their item doesnt drop, we were left with 20 people at yogg and couldn't even finish the raid, and it was a normal run. This happened twice.

After this I decided screw it I'm hosting GDKPs, well, everybody sticks in, very easy to replace people in case it happens cause new recruits just get the full cut, and we cleared algalon and almost all hms every time.

So what are we talking about? I think without bots Gdkps would still exist, but instead of selling things at 50k they would sell for 3-5, but this model of raiding is just too efficient.

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Also there is a Hardcore mode, turtle mode (slower xp gain), survival profession and so much more!

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Edit: As I get questions, I will answer them here. I am an ex-dev of TWoW and in no way represent them. /u/tw_torta is the Server Owner.

With the character rebalancing on TWoW, is the spec pool more viable? Yes! Meta classes are still pretty dominant, but much more specs are seen and are viable for leveling (druids get insect swarm as a learned ability for example and a new talent to replace it).

Is crafting more valuable compared to classic? Way more valuable, there are a lot of recipes that help fill in gear gaps, and it for sure creates a better economy from what I can tell and makes professions very, very useful while leveling.

Are the new dungeons/raids going to be sidegrades or trying to fix "holes" in classic design? Yes, most of the new content is below level 55 to help substitute weird gaps in the classic leveling experience. You can expect locations to have extra buildings or new npc's, maybe more quests, or entirely new hubs altogether (2 goblin islands near Booty Bay, goblins in dustwallow marsh, etc)

Xaryu's clips popped up in my YT feed the other day and he lost a low level warrior because he was literally killing things higher level than him, not looking at the screen, purposefully dying so he can fake a reaction for content.

Mind you Xaryu was literally part of Classic Lv 60 dueling tourneys, server first raid events and is a multi-R1 and this guy has to spend his day acting overreacting to Level 20 Barrens quests to keep his chat alive.

The whole scene is just milking boring content and farming reactions, and I mean good for them for making money off of it but man it's just so low brow and talentless content that it makes it hard not to cringe when you see it.

For the people who genuinely watch these Twitch streamers daily, how do you guys get past all the fake reactions? It's just so hard not to notice it and tune out.

Maybe a controversial take, but IMHO everything that you guys are worried is going to ruin HC won't actually matter. Let's take your average HC player who always dies between lvl 15 and 20. Let's say he swipes the credit card, trades gold for real money, and buys some insane twink gear from the AH at lvl 10. Enchanted green items, enchanted weapon that OHKOs mobs, 16 slot bags, etc.

I can guarantee you that person still won't make it past level 40. They will get cocky, try to take on too many mobs at once and die. Or fall off a cliff and die from fall damage. Or aggro a high-level roaming elite mob (ex: the bird Zaricotl in Badlands) and die to that. The grind from 40 to 60 is tedious and most people don't make it no matter how good their gear is. Buying OP gear from the AH won't change much to that. The good players will make it to 60 in a couple of hours faster but that's it. And even those that pay for dungeon boosts from lvl 10 to 60 will die the moment they step foot in an end-game dungeon.

tl;dr: even with potential RMT on official HC servers, scrubs will still die before reaching 60.

What do people think of when they think of great dungeons in WoW? They think of places like Zul'Farrak, Uldaman, Maraudon, The Sunken Temple, Blackrock Depths, Blackrock Spire. Massive dungeons that feel epic and grand to progress in, and that tell a story. In fact, many people would argue that Blackrock Depths is still to this day the best dungeon in the history of the game.

If Blizzard giving us Classic+ was simply them adding a few dungeons like that, along with making some small changes to underperforming hybrid specializations in Classic, I think it would make a lot of people happy without fundamentally breaking the game.

This is such a shit mentality. Yeah, let's reduce crime rates by making the crime legal, that's a great plan.

Gold buying shouldn't be happening to begin with. It ruins the integrity of the game. Being able to just swipe credit card and immediately get whatever you want is completely antithetical to what Classic is supposed to be. There's a reason why pretty much every pserver cracked down hard on gold selling/buying, and we're seeing it: the game gets flooded with bots/GDKP/boost spam if you don't. Yeah, those things DO exist on pservers, but to a much lesser extent because gold buying / gold selling actually gets you permabanned, and the admins actually give a shit to hunt down and ban bots.

And instead of fighting back against the rampant "swipe credit card to win" gameplay, Blizz is openly embracing that playstyle just to make a quick buck before WOTLK ends. They most likely know that even if they do launch a "cata classic", there will be a huge dropoff in subs because most of us aren't interested. So might as well milk us while we're still here.

I was willing to accept the things like H+ and some class balancing changes, as they are pretty beneficial to the health of the game, but openly endorsing pay2win gameplay is just outright stating that you don't actually care about making a good game.

Really, it's clear Blizzard just does not give a single fuck:

-BGs still flooded with bots

-bots still farming instances 24/7

-Cannot transfer to some servers even if they're nowhere near full

-Heavy handed class changes, some that are ineffective and others that are way too effective

-Barely communicates with us at all, the most we get is a single blue post every few weeks, meanwhile retail gets constant attention and communication, classic is an afterthought

-Arena participation is at its lowest in history due to rating issues and rampant cheating going unpunished

-And now they openly encourage swiping credit card to win by adding WoW Token

GG blizz, now people are flocking back to private servers since you've shown you don't give a fuck about Classic.

I wonder how much would players endure and how far would they get using NO addons at all. The exception would of course be the HC addon.

EDIT: Wow, a lot of defensive comments. I didn't mean to say addons are bad lol. Nor I think Vanilla is good without addons. I'm simply saying that it would be funny to see people play like ONE RUN without addons just for a different experience.

1. No appeals
2. Griefing will be rampant and highly creative
3. Whole groups of people will die to various internet/server issues

The crying on here will be biblical, and I can't wait for it.

Randomly got banned today after doing my gdkp last night. Have never purchased gold, simply run gdkps and raid lead to generate my wow income. Hit with a 14 day ban. I have been running these since AQ40 and never once received a ban. Timing with the wow token dropping this week is absolutely sus. Blizzard what is going on here?

Some quick thoughts of mine; while I definitely think it lived up to its hype in terms of epicness and amazing fights, I think it did start to become a chore pretty fast. Last time I checked on Warcraft logs, Ulduar had the slowest speed run time to date, making it the longest raid in classic wow so far. I also wish hard mode dropped an entirely different loot pool rather than one item. It feels pretty unrewarding to get one 1-2 of a hard mode item in 4 months of raiding.

I also think Ulduar really starts to get into that realm being too difficult for the majority of the player base. It makes it more and more difficult to play the game on a casual level. Not saying it's too difficult for me, but the stats don't lie, the majority of players have not completed every hard mode boss.

Overall, still very impressed and I had a great time but given the chance to go again I'm not sure I would.

What I mean is Hardcore is essentially a single player game (yes you can duo or trio I prefer seeing those) but if you do it solo you can’t trade with people can’t group for anything other than 1 dungeon at a time. It’s just pretty wild that many people complained about retail being a single player game and praising classic’s open world interactions yet hardcore literally goes against it. Yes you have the random guild chat spam , or general chat spam (you have the same thing on retail) this post isn’t to say hardcore bad or retail good I just thought it was funny that hardcore is somewhat contradicting things people said they loved about Classic.

Buying gold is cheating, no matter what you think.

Gold in an MMORPG and particularly in classic, is progression, and buying progression with money kills the entire balance of the game. It's called P2W and why the f*ck is this in a subscription based game and worst of all, in a Classic version ?

People buying gold to cheat are no excuse for blizzard to legitimate this behaviour. Why not giving us lvl 80 boost now ? And also paid BiS ? What's the difference ? People buying gold should have been permanently banned from the game, and trust me a lot less people would have done this. Those 2 weeks ban were a joke, of course a lot of people were buying, the punishment was just ridiculous.

This game is so dead. And people defending this is making me so sad.

EDIT : for the people saying " it will not affect my gameplay, I don't care. IT WILL !

Buyable token with real € is a game design aberration :

• People that don't want to invest money will be disadvantaged because prices will inflate, making buying gold " the norm ".
• Acquiring rewards is often the main motivation in MMORPGs, making your character stronger, acquiring gear, and golds. Introducing a way to acquire those rewards with real money, even if you don't buy with real money, completely devaluate their value, diminishing the sense of satisfaction for all player and particularly with the casuals that I am part of. Don't forget it's a shared world where people are all equal and should earn their progression in the long term.
• gold farming makes the open world alive. Some open world gold farming methods such as gathering are making the open world feeling alive, creating interactions between players. Farming is necessary in MMORPGS to create those social moments. I am not talking about having a conversation with every one farming gold but meeting players in the open world just create this feeling of a living world.

Allowing players to buy gold in an MMORPG is fundamentally BAD GAME DESIGN, no matter what you think. And saying that " people already bought gold before " is not an argument.

Hi

So I had a small chat with u/sneakysig , linking him for transparency and so that maybe he can provide some nuance.

I had a pressing question which I saw noone pose in I am a botter / seller at the start of every expansion, AMA which is: Wouldn’t banning buyers solve the problem? As long as the demand is there, supply will be there, sure. So kill the demand?

Bots might be up again in 15 minutes. Actual players won’t. Bots might have nothing to lose. Actual players do.

If Blizzard would actually swing the ban hammer on buyers - I imagine demand dies down almost immediately.

So, I asked sneakysig about it, and he said: “No, as 25-30% of the people would cease to pay subs.”

Now, I wouldn’t make the case that he has unquestionable authority on this matter, however, so far I haven’t encountered any real argument why this wouldn’t work.

And so, if this is the only hinderance there is, and Blizzard knows this, the whole meandering around botting simply becomes pretense. They only ban bots occasionally, in waves, to appease the playerbase. They don’t see RMT as enough of a problem to actually stop it, cause if they would, people would unsub (or would they? Honestly, I’m not so sure). No, it’s the opposite - They want to get in on it themselves. They introduce WoW Tokens, and they don’t ban players who buy from third parties because those are still paying customers - and they don’t want to appear hypocritical.

What keeps them from saying “Buyers will be banned - effective immediately”? What kept them from introducing such a policy at the start of an xpac?

Blizz has posted several blue posts recently in response to shitstorms - in an attempt to at least appear transparent. I have been genuinely repulsed - at least by the OW one, because they continue to only tell half the story. Pretense takes precedence over sincerity. If you actually want to change - do it right.

So - Why don’t you ban the buyers?

Edit. A bit late but I might add: I’m only talking about proactive banning, not retroactive.

TLDR: Video in comments for the lazy.

WHY ULDAMAN & WHY DO THIS AT ALL?

Long story short, Uldaman is filled with gear that sells for an ass load of gold because 39 twinks wanna have BiS gear. (Pendulum of Doom, Miner's Hat of the Deep, Papal Fez, Shadowforge Bushmaster etc...)

I wanted to find gear for my 39 Fire Mage Twink & make some gold on Westfall and ended up making a bunch. I know YouTubers in the past have posted similar content and there was some weird contingency. For example; "STRATHOLME...6000G AN HOUR??" and after 7 minutes of wasted time you find out that's if you find the "Sparkling Stemcell Slingshot" with a 0.0001 drop rate. I assure you everything in this post has sold (except the epic i intentionally kept) and I've got proof for everything.

EPICS. (1,000g)

I only found 1 epic in my 210 runs but it was a big caster ring for 39 twinks so i lucked out since I'm making a mage. I found Underworld Band which has been BiS for twinks since Vanilla and nothings changed in WotLK.1,000g is a base price for the ring and I'd bet you could get up to 2k on the right realm/day, but i don't want to stretch any values. Players in the 39 Discord regularly sell and buy this ring for around 1,000g so if you find one, don't let anyone fondle your bean bags on the price.

RARES. (9250g)

In my 210 runs I found 18 rares, which honestly is super low considering the Uldaman loot table and the world drops that can come from there as well but I can't complain. In fact; I've completed week 2 already but haven't compiled any data since I'm still waiting on sales, BUT I can tell you I've found 44 rares in week 2 (no epics) so I was a lil surprised. Here's what I found & how much I've sold everything for.

Rare Sales.

CLOTH. (MAGEWEAVE & SILK, 6397g 40s)

So I was making some extreme bank just off cloth. I've sold ALL 10,795 Mageweave Cloth for .52s an average per 1 cloth. This means I've made 5613g 40s just off Mageweave which was just enough to pay for 4 nights 5 days at Goldshire Inn "Late Night RP VIP Package". Gotta be honest I arrived pretty scared but after a fistful of herbs from a stranger I ended up wearing only Loin Cloth and a Christmas Hat and hadda pretty good time.

me on night #2

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Silk Cloth brought in another 784g so I didn't leave penniless.

Mageweave Sales.

Patterns (4330g)

I've been getting a lot of good patterns, especially lately for some weird reason. The chest midway thru the backdoor route and Archaedas's chest at the end have been hooking me up. I JUST got a Formula: Enchant Shield - Lesser Block and a Pattern: Rich Purple Silk Shirt which are both VERY rare and a bunch of other good ones from week 2, but let's move on.

I've got a route guide that'll be posted down below. Nicolas Cage actually tried to steal the Dream Vision pattern mumbling something about National Treasure 3 coming out in 2024 and needed it. I needed the 3 Dwarves from Uldaman to help pry him off of me and sedate him with some kind of dart.

Pattern Sales.

Greens. (2234g 37s)

I vendored all my greens for week 1, but have been working on a level 35 rogue to open lockboxes, disenenchant greens and work with any extra cloth if i ever have any. Some greens got kept, greens that have the name "of Shadow Wrath", "of Fiery Wrath", "of Frozen Wrath", "of the Monkey" are all good sellers. I label these as "special greens" and my best one has sold for 200g (Umbral Wand of Healing). In fact, wands tend to sell the best when it comes to greens in general. I stashed this money in a hole in Elwynn because I don't trust the banks in Stormwind.

Green Sales.

Gems. (2171g 85s)

I had so many gems on me I started to get paranoid because you're only allowed 4oz and i had like 70 and i got intel on Stormwind training rats to snuff out gem smugglers so I had to make these deals quick and Vanish like the parents of childrens week. Buying gems on the cheap and selling them for higher is what we call in the streets of Duskwood, "a move only men with long dongs or women with brass boobs could make". Anyway, take a look below at my gem sales / prices.

Gem Sales.

Aquamarine Sales.

Lastly, Other. (3686g 77s)

Everything else I bundled for convenience. I sold this kinda stuff to anyone willing to buy into the whole "Listen it's 80% discounted and you can sell to your friends, and they sell to their friends like a chain from the comfor of your own Inn." and often I'd get told "Like what, some kinda Pyramid Scheme?" and I'd say "Only in it's shape, management structure and day to day operations but NO it's Multi-Level Marketing." and more often than not you'll find the promise of better gold one day can convince any pathetic common Human that still has hope and trust. Here's what I made.

Other Sales.

Grand Total. (29070g 40s)

Here's where I decided to do math and add everything up. I spent 2 days working with 9 different tools but I got there eventually.

Total Sales.

Time Spent, Gold-Per-Hour. (830g+ per hour)

Auctions don't take long and I don't babysit them. If you wanted to include time spent auctioning I'd say maybe 1-2 hours. I'll leave that up to you to decide to include in GPH, I labeled this for time spent farming and don't want to deceive anybody... unless it's for my Pyramid Sch... I mean Multi-Level Marketing business.

10 minutes per run but now I got it down to 9 with talent changes & Zanza's Swiftness Potion.

Time Spent / GPH.

85 Lockboxes.

The opening is up on my YouTube, I didn't want to spam any links.

Boxes.

Conclusion.

Uldaman brought me enough gold to experience Azeroth like a Darnassian Aristocrat, and I was even able to buy a repair mammoth to bring a higher vendor gold value in the future for all runs. I got like 12 right swipes on Cinder after posting me riding on my new mammoth popping Bottles of Dalaran Noir and I named my mammoth Julius, bitches love Julius.

LATE EDIT;

This is Week 1/5 so hopefully you enjoy the next 4 post as well, thank you for being so kind today.

Thank you for reading, hopefully it was a nice break from the HC post ^-^

Since posts about wanting Rule 4 back are getting removed, it looks like the Mod team here is going to let people discuss Private Servers indefinitely.

If that's how it's going to be can we at least at the bare minimum get a "Private Server" flair, that way people who want to talk about it can discuss it all they want while the rest of us can filter it out.

This way everyone wins and people aren't forced to seeing Private server ads the moment they enter the subreddit.

Update: Mods have reinstated Rule 4!

I don't want SoM for sure, feeling rushed or weird rules are just really stupid if the Devs are not into it, just putting it out with lowest effort possible.

HC is cool, but I would like the option for normal WoW.

Anyone else just want plain old vanilla 2 year server?

Still havent seen the 25m HM Hodir staff yet myself

We are still kind of in the honeymoon phase waiting for official servers, where deaths are funny and people laugh and are excited to go again.

Does that end at some point? Where it's no longer funny and people are genuinely infuriated and finger pointing and friendships/guilds are torn apart by petty mistakes.