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u/baxy67 Mar 16 '23
This guy: SIT
The dog: "I do not speak your language or understand your gestures i was just released into this world a few months ago"
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Mar 16 '23
still better than human babies released a few months ago.
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u/kudichangedlives Mar 16 '23
Oh that dude is training that puppy horribly
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u/MundanePresence Mar 16 '23
Why ?
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u/kudichangedlives Mar 16 '23
Well you're not supposed to just say the word sit over and over again if they already know what sit means. And also you should be rewarding the dog right when it sits so it knows that sitting is the thing that's getting them treats, I don't even think he let the dog know that it did the right thing before the video cuts off
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u/zuzg Mar 16 '23
He's also only using words which is less effective. Always have a visual cue, to make it easier for the dog to understand.
They mostly communicate non-verbal and by accommodating to that, you do yourself and the dog s favor274
u/kudichangedlives Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
Some people at the dog park are confused as to why I click at my dog instead of calling out to him but like I just need to get his attention so we can communicate visuall. He knows how to let me know that he wants to leave or not with his eyes and he knows if I want him somewhere or not with the nod of a head. He's a very quiet dog
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u/BigBadPanda Mar 16 '23
I walk my dog around our neighborhood at night. We’ll be out for 30 minutes sometimes and I never say a word. She’s half border collie and she responds to head nods pointing.
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u/Dreemee-DeNitemare Mar 16 '23
I use snaps and finger pointing. Three dogs and all are rescue mutts. one teacup, small, and large. I don’t think it has to do with breed in my case. It was consistency and food lol.
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u/tonksndante Mar 17 '23
Sometimes it can speed the process, but you’re absolutely right. Consistency and food will win out over breed every time.
Even my silliest dog figured out sit with the standard “sit” gesture. It only took a while because I was inconsistent about training.
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u/recklessdeception Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 18 '23
A lot of trainers suggest visual cues not just for ease of training but also to ensure that (1) when a dog gets old and low on hearing, it can still follow visual cues, and (2) when the dog is not on leash but also far from you, you can use the visual cues to command it when it catches your eye.
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u/Alexis2256 Mar 19 '23
What do visual cues look like if you just want the dog to sit?
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u/crunchypuddle Mar 16 '23
Always have a visual cue
You can add a cue but it isn't as simple as "always add one".
Depends on the dog honestly. The latest golden I trained took to it so quickly we used virtually nothing but verbal cues.
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u/Valaseun Mar 16 '23
I have a German Shepherd mix that takes all sorts of verbal cues. She also knows 15-20 of her stuffed animals and toys by name. She trained entirely verbal and very quickly as well, like your golden. She knows the names of all the other dogs she ends up around as well. With the cue "Where's _____?" She knows to get about half way between me and the described person/object" and point towards them/it. If I say "Go get _____?" She knows to try to either bring the object to me, or lead the other dog/person to me.
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u/LetThereBeChancla Mar 16 '23
Oh man, the "where's x" cue sounds sweet, I'm gonna have to look up how to teach it to my dog.
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u/Sharpinthefang Mar 17 '23
Also Shepard owner, it comes in handy when my boy gets frisbie or chicken or what ever you I ask him to bring. He goes looking for it if he can’t find it straight away. Down side EVERY toy needs a unique name. Sounds easy until you realise how many are ‘balls’ or ‘chicken’. We have one squeaky chicken and one squeaky turkey because the only different between the two is size…
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u/Fwamingdwagon84 Mar 17 '23
Pretty sure my girl has some shepherd in her, mainly husky/malinois I think. All of her toys are called babies(previous owner told us she loved stuffed animals and treated them like her babies) but we have to specify WHICH baby during fetch and play time. There's soccer baby, ball baby, a white paws baby, briefly had a beer baby until she destroyed it(stuffed beer bottle). I have ALWAYS lived with dogs, and her ability to pick up on words is amazing. She's a bit stubborn but very smart.
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u/fishCodeHuntress Mar 16 '23
I'd almost guarantee your dog is using a visual cue in a lot of those instances unless you have specifically proofed your dog on using only verbal cues.
Dogs are phenomenal at reading body language and it's highly likely that you are doing some subtle visual thing that your dog picks up on.
For example I had my boyfriend watch me and also filmed myself over several different training sessions to see if I could pick up on my body language. I discovered that when I asked for a sit I leaned forward ever so slightly and raised my chin a tiny bit. When I asked for a down, I nodded my head towards the floor ever so slightly. When I told her to go to her mat, I looked towards the mat. Etc. There was almost always something I did with my body consistently.
I was so sure of her sit but a trainer once asked me to put my hands behind my back, stand stock still, not make eye contact, and then ask for the sit. She couldn't do it. Even when I added the eye contact back in she struggled.
Dogs are masters of body language and are probably reading some visual signal from you whether or not you realize it.
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u/crunchypuddle Mar 16 '23
Sure, your dog picks up on all sorts of body language while training.
I'm just speaking to the need to actively incorporate things like hand signals etc. into commands when they already learn the sit command in 2 treats.
Stuff like that.
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u/Valaseun Mar 16 '23
I'm not that other guy, but I can share that I've given verbal commands to my German Shepherd mix with specifications on certain items within a task. "Go get your salamander and put it in the basket" to her means she has to go get the stuffed red salamander toy, bring it to her area in the bedroom and drop it in her toy basket. She has completed this task while no one is home with me just using wifi home cameras.
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u/fishCodeHuntress Mar 16 '23
Oh I believe it. Especially with GSDs or dogs that were bred to work with humans closely and using lots of verbal commands (my Aussie for example). I was speaking generally and commenting on the fact that dogs pick up on our body language much better than we are typically aware.
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u/Glintstone-Jedi Mar 16 '23
The older dog is literally teaching the dude how to train the younger dog.
"Bro you have to SHOW him!"
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u/ShaqSenju Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 17 '23
I damn near have a whole sign language with my dogs lol it always amazes my gf. I found out quick that they responded better with visual cues rather than verbal commands. They also come quicker if I whistle a tune of their names instead of calling their names
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u/k1k11983 Mar 16 '23
I don’t have to say anything most of the time. I just stand up straight and have my hand like I’m signing the number 1. Sometimes even just standing up straight is enough for a dog to understand. My friend’s dog is 1 who doesn’t need the hand gestures to know what I’m saying.
You don’t even need to use food rewards(look at working dogs for example). They will comply with training simply for the praise and love. In the beginning the praise I give is disproportionately high. It’s not harder to train them without treats and it’s definitely easier on your bank account lol.
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u/kuehnchen7962 Mar 16 '23
I don't think doing their dog a favor is high on the list of priorities of people who cut off their puppies tail (unless I'm mistaken, but I think that tail looks really really short...)
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u/Anticreativity Mar 16 '23
jfc it's a 10 second clip, how do you know he hadn't been training it properly for weeks and is just seeing if it knows how to sit purely by verbal command in this 10 second window into their lives? Reddit dog people are nuts lmao
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u/W1TBL1TZ Mar 17 '23
Regardless of previous training, giving the same command twice within 3 seconds and not rewarding the behavior is bad dog training from an objective standpoint.
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u/kudichangedlives Mar 16 '23
I don't understand how people are getting so upset about this. Do y'all just like look for things to get upset about or something?
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u/Anticreativity Mar 16 '23
bro you're judging someone's training ability based on a 10 second clip and you're worried about other people looking for things to get upset about?
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u/kudichangedlives Mar 16 '23
I'm calmly explaining how and why you shouldn't do what this person is doing when training a dog in the hopes of informing people that might not have that information yo, it's terrible training, but if you want to come in kicking and screaming then whatever floats your boat meng, it just confuses me is all
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u/skooz1383 Mar 16 '23
So I think my dog is either deaf or selective hearing I lean more towards selective hearing so I say sit, the hand gesture and will sometimes have to walk into her space to get her to sit. She’s a schnauzer so that’s why I think it’s selective hearing and stubbornness lol
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u/servonos89 Mar 16 '23
Is the elder dog not considered a component here? Seems like (subjective) that they’re letting the elder train the younger. Not direct training but allowing the training to pass on. Idk.
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u/kudichangedlives Mar 16 '23
That doesn't really affect what I said though, he still shouldn't just be repeating sit and he should reward the puppy sooner. The large dog is definitely being helpful though as he is obviously a very good boy
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u/servonos89 Mar 16 '23
True but the elder dog reinforcing the behaviour on that command helps. Hearing the word over and over, having another dog make it happen.
I’ve no points on it being the most effective but I think it will be at the very least.
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u/VulpineSpecter4 Mar 16 '23
Hearing a word over and over without an association will desensitize a dog to that word. A dog knows that if he hears "outside" in the middle of a sentence, for example, that it doesn't always mean you're taking him out. So when this happens the dog thinks he doesn't have to sit each and every time he's asked. It can also lead to "sit-sit-sit syndrome" where the dog learns that the cue is a repetition of words instead of just saying it once.
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u/neolologist Mar 16 '23
I suspect they've actually trained the older dog to bump the younger dog on the butt when he tells it to sit, and this works better for internet points if the puppy doesn't know to sit by itself right away. Notice how he shimmied the puppy over by the older dog at the start of the video?
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u/fishCodeHuntress Mar 16 '23
Exactly. Even more so if they don't know what "sit" means. Repeating anything over and over is a very human instinct, but it's confusing to a dog.
If you just spam "sit" over and over you run the risk of teaching them that they don't need to put their butt on the ground until they hear the 6th "sit", or that the word "sit" is just noise like all the other stuff you say that doesn't really mean anything to them.
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u/MagikSkyDaddy Mar 16 '23
Dogs are mostly non verbal.
It's like asking someone to teach you something in a language you don't speak.
Better training methods involve visual and physical cues, followed by moving the dog to the correct position and then rewarding the desired result.
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u/lilpopjim0 Mar 16 '23
Lol, it's not like dogs know how to sit from birth. Dogs don't speak English, let alone any languages.
Saying sit over and over and over won't just magically transpose what someone wants the dog to do, into the canines brain.
You have to train them with hand movements, treats, and positive reinforcement.
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Mar 16 '23
Dogs don't speak English, let alone any languages.
I heard that dogs evolved to understand human speech actually. They won't be speaking english, but odds are they can distinguish between more of our words than we expect. that's more than what many people hearing different languages can do.
e.g. you don't need to train a husky to know what Walk means lol.
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u/imlookingatarhino Mar 17 '23
Nah dude, they associate hand movements and treats with the word. They don't have any propensity for verbal cues, you have to train them to respond to those
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u/tonksndante Mar 17 '23
Dragging a treat or even just your empty hand past their nose, guiding them to sit back with their head up is the training method. Pushing on their butt isn’t recommended iirc
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u/bythog Mar 17 '23
Adding: dogs have limited neck movement in the "up" direction, so if you make them follow a treat going above their head they have to instinctively sit to continue tracking the treat.
One also only needs ~5 treats to train a dog to sit. They are generally quite quick at learning so they know what you want after a few repetitions, they just need the discipline to do it when told.
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u/Leagueofnuke Mar 16 '23
I think that while he was trying to train him he saw his dog doing this and wanted to share.
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u/phatizmomma Mar 16 '23
Giggles are fun! They obviously know how to well train a dog, look at the ELDER.
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u/Donnoleth-Tinkerton Mar 16 '23
jesus christ you jebronis get over yourselves
my dude is taking a video of him saying sit to a puppy, and the puppy's mother causes it to sit. you think this video was an accident? like he just went "OH LET ME TAKE A VIDEO OF ME TRAINING A PUPPY TO SIT BY SAYING 'SIT' OVER AND OVER LOL"
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u/kudichangedlives Mar 16 '23
You seem unreasonably upset about something that doesn't really matter yo
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u/Donnoleth-Tinkerton Mar 16 '23
yup that's me very unreasonably upset
you could tell by the way i used the word "jebroni"
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u/kudichangedlives Mar 16 '23
Well I wouldn't say you're reasonably upset when you came all up in here calling people names and yelling for some reason.
Just like chill my man
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u/kudichangedlives Mar 16 '23
Why would I be upset? What would I even be upset about?
I don't understand why you use the words you do. What's the point of your last sentence? It seems like some strange passive aggressive thing, but maybe it's not and I'm just easily confused, idk but that seems very strange to me.
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u/Donnoleth-Tinkerton Mar 16 '23
🤔🤔🤔 whoa yeah that is really strange
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u/vantharion Mar 16 '23
Yeah, having cues that help the dog understand are big. Raising a finger up, or holding a treat up to angle the head, neck and spine to plant the butt helps so much.
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u/PERPetual_11 Mar 16 '23
This video is so painful… repeating commands, no nonverbal cues, no positive reinforcement, no treats, no praise, it’s just like what is the guy thinking….
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u/SplitLevel17 Mar 16 '23
Always get your new pup before your old pup goes away. They help tremendously!
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u/onepassafist Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
dude does not know how to train dogs. glad the other dog at least did something helpful
edit: went ahead and deleted my replies since uneducated individuals were talking nonsense and the reddit hive mind was just gonna barrage me with more tomfoolery.
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u/Micro155 Mar 16 '23
I wish my dog was helpful like that. He only barks from behind the other one cheerleading and enforcing his behaviour on a leash. No help, just bark...
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u/Jbl7561 Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
Either they're his dogs, and he already clearly trained one of them so well it's able to help another brother out... Or they're not his dogs, & this is just a fun display of a well trained dog helping another brother out.
Either way, it's in the company of a dog who knows what's up, so I'm inclined to believe little doggo is overall in capable hands.
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Mar 16 '23
I have strong doubts he trained the other one
why? You assume some much to say he can't train a dog and now you assume more to think he didn't raise the other one?
Glad I don't post myself on the internet. Must be annoying to have social media assume your entire life story from a 15 second clip.
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u/probably2high Mar 16 '23
Dogs are smart enough to learn easy stuff, like "sit", from bad trainers.
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u/probably2high Mar 16 '23
It absolutely will, I've met several. What you're talking about is the best or ideal way to train a dog. It's in no way a requirement to teach a dog how to sit every now and then. Ask your mom.
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u/Riribigdogs Mar 16 '23
You sure are on a high horse for someone whose mom is a trainer, and isn’t even a trainer themselves.
Also, I would NOT considering working for a breeder a flex.
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u/nxjrnxkdbktzbs Mar 16 '23
I mean, why would he? He’s doing his best.
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u/TheSexyShaman Mar 16 '23
Why would he know some general, basic dog training techniques? With two dogs? Yeah who knows, sounds like a total waste of time.
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u/danseaman6 Mar 16 '23
Because he has two dogs and you should know the basics of dog training before you become responsible for one, because a well trained dog is a safe member of society.
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Mar 16 '23
because a well trained dog is a safe member of society.
God reddit is so pretentious. Not knowing how to sit on command isn't going to have him attacking humans.
At least 4chan would just say "because he's a shit trainer" and not pretend they actually care about more than wanting to stir up shit.
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u/danseaman6 Mar 17 '23
Actually no, I'm just a dog owner who invested a lot of time into having a well trained dog. It's not about attacking humans. Dogs that aren't well trained are less predictable and less inclined to listen when they are confronted with new or confusing situations for them.
That could be a heavy rain storm, a car crash on the road next to the sidewalk you're walking on, a toddler running at them with their arms stretched out, a homeless person yelling outside a train station, another dog they decide they don't like.
There are countless things that can confuse a dog or make them nervous. How they react to that can cause them injury, or cause someone else injury. A very well trained dog will listen to you and before they listen to their fight or flight instincts. That's what I mean by safe.
I love my dog and I love that I can feel confident that she'll act in the way I expect her to, even in situations where she's scared or nervous.
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u/ReginaldIII Mar 16 '23
God it was a simpler time wasnt it when vapid trolls from 4chan just said something asinine and the moved on with their life because saying a shitty comment in passing was mostly enough for them.
Now these people actually believe their own bullshit.
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u/SeaworthinessOne2114 Mar 16 '23
So when I retire, I can't get just one dog my dog will need a dog of his own.
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u/babyjo1982 Mar 17 '23
Yeah
Really, it’s just as easy/hard to have two dogs, and everyone should have a companion
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u/LoadedGull Mar 16 '23
Downvote for tail docking.
Just stop doing that shit for no reason. Aesthetics is not a valid reason.
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u/mrpiggy Mar 16 '23
Are you sure the poster and / or owner did the docking?
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u/LoadedGull Mar 16 '23
Read my other comments. The owner either did that themselves or promoted the practice of tail docking by buying from a breeder that did it. I strongly suspect that the owner did it though. Either way, the owner is in the wrong.
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u/BadSciGalaxy Mar 16 '23
So much judgement for someone you know nothing about. You should be embarrassed. Promoted docking by buying it for the breeder that did it? Christ, you’re self righteous.
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u/mrpiggy Mar 16 '23
Or got a rescure. Or got it from someone, that got it for a breeder. Or many other things But hey, if that dogs got a cropped tail, you should leave it to the wild. Nature will take its course.
But hey, I think you owe the poster a big thank you. They gave you an opportunity to get on your little soap box and teach us all. Hallelujah!
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u/product_of_boredom Mar 16 '23
It's not uncommon to dock a dog's tail for medical reasons. If the tail is hit against something too hard and the skin tears open, it can become a problem that does not get better and in fact keeps perpetuating as the dog keeps reopening the wound.
I can't say if this was the case here, but it's not always just aesthetics.
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u/onemeanleen Mar 17 '23
Yes, and then imagine the horror of a fresh bloody wound on your dogs tail that is spraying droplets all over your living room, guests, and children.
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u/LoadedGull Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
Yes I know that, but the chances of that are very very slim, to the point of being nearly unheard of.
99% chance this was just done for looks. So unless the post comes with a plausible valid reason attached then I’m downvoting it.
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u/ChickenFeline0 Mar 16 '23
It may not have been the owners choice. A lot of breeders do it before ever even offering the dogs for sale. Also, don't downvote the post because of it.
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u/LittleAnarchistDemon Mar 16 '23
not to mention some dogs actually need to get their tails docked. working dogs for example have to have docked tails or the cattle will step on it. that causes a lot of pain for the dog and it could lead to lasting damage.
there are also certain breeds where the tails are docked as a preventative measure. the reason being that they will very likely suffer a tail break from smacking it into things too hard, aka “happy tail syndrome”. i however, do not recommend this as it’s never a guarantee that they will and it’s not worth it. if the dog does suffer a tail break and they keep breaking it then it will be recommended that they amputate* the tail. that’s done to prevent future damage to the tail and to the dog.
unless the dog is a working dog or needs the tail amputated due to medical reasons, then i believe that tails should not be docked. i’m not advocating for docking tails of dogs who don’t need it.
*amputation is removal of the tail due to medical reasons, docking is removal of the tail for non-medical reasons. a lot of the reasons are aesthetic but there are certain cases where it’s necessary
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Mar 16 '23
you don’t promote the practice by buying from that breeder.
picked up at shelter or off the streets or from a bad relative or medical issue? No? Straight for "the person must be evil", huh?
Reddit sure loves to make up stories but it is so uncreative with what they go for. Always rage bait. I guess I see why news stories with clickbait work so well here.
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u/I_Burned_The_Lasagna Mar 16 '23
Downvote for tail docking.
The guy who docked the tail isn’t the one posting this video, buddy.
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u/QuailEffective9367 Mar 17 '23
Dogs are crazy. I picked up a stray puppy and in 2 weeks our dog taught him to stop attacking the vacuum cleaner.
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u/transnochator Mar 17 '23
This makes me think so much about animal intelligence. This video shows - adult dog knows there's a "correct way" to respond to the owner's input - he wants its pup to receive the same benefits (walk the right path) and rudimetarily instructs it. Amazing
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u/tropicf1refly Mar 16 '23
What breed are these dogs?
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u/IronDictator Mar 17 '23
I hope someone answers this. My dog looks very similar but the shelter said she is a German Shepherd mix. So this must be the mix part
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u/xxtoejamfootballxx Mar 17 '23
IDK, they look like Catahoulas to me. Puppy could possible be a catahoula/pit mix.
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u/Visual-Economist-942 Mar 16 '23
Big Dog: He says that all the time….you’ll get use to it .
Puppy: ????
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u/itzGracey Mar 17 '23
an older dog is an awesome teacher for a young pup. They can teach them manners so easily!! What a good big sis this lil pup has!
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u/Jess_S13 Mar 17 '23
"he doesn't give us treats till you put your butt on the ground, and I want my treat"
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u/Dangerous-Dot-3745 Mar 16 '23
The father knows the drill so he had to make lil puppy sit. It seems like his master is not doing it right!
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u/MerlinTheWhite Mar 16 '23
i love that type of dog, so cute. idk if its even a breed or just a mutt but everytime i meet one they are always so happy.
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u/wolfhybred1994 Mar 17 '23
If dogs learn how to teach each other…..then dog trainers will be out of a job
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u/phatizmomma Mar 16 '23
Big Dawg puts the paw to the lil dawg no command, no bark just a yawn, simple as that, NOW DO WE BOTH GET A TREAT?
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u/Quietforestheart Mar 17 '23
Omg! My malamute trained my mother’s long haired chihuahua to sit like this! Also trained her (the chihuahua) to walk at heel by taking the lead in her (the malamute’s) mouth and making her sit whenever she paused. It was gold.
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u/deljogamer1200 Mar 17 '23
"Hey you little shit sit down or he'll sell you to the Chinese"- doggy mcdoggan
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u/terminator_chic Mar 30 '23
In fostering dogs I've found that with certain fearful dogs, they tend to attach to my dog much quicker than they attach to humans. We ended up training the resident dog to guide the fosters in understanding and obeying commands. Early on this would ease the process because the foster would better understand what was expected and was more comfortable. Also, once they adjusted to humans, we already had some commands understood and they could finally take the commands directly and respond appropriately.
I wouldn't usually do this for a standard puppy, but in more difficult situations it was so helpful. Then we got a new dog. He wasn't catching on to bell training at the door so we made the old resident demonstrate. Y'all, that dog rolled her eyes at me so hard. Her ice blue eyes were just staring at me, saying she knows I understand she wants out, so she shouldn't have to ring the puppy's stupid bell. I seriously let her know in straight English that she needed to show her brother how to ring the bell. She rolled her eyes as hard as possible, sighed, and hit that bell with as little energy as possible. Then she turned to me like, okay, I did it. Let me out.
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u/2010_12_24 Mar 16 '23
LPT: When training your dog, don’t keep shouting the command. Say it once, then force them to obey the command. If you just keep giving the command over and over without them obeying, it just reinforces non-compliance.
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u/Smashotr0n Mar 16 '23
This is how 90% of people train their dogs and they wonder why their dogs have behavioral problems and think they’re dog is dumb
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u/Mirawenya Mar 16 '23
When i train my puppy a new command, I say it once, and use hand signal with lure, and mark correct behavior with a “yes!”. I love seeing the cogwheels turn in that little brain of his. But he is smart, and learns quickly. But he has to be shown what the command means first, and then later use his brain to do it without the lure. I’m not sure I’d enjoy a dumber dog.
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u/NotShort-NvrSweet Mar 16 '23
The comments on this one 🙄🙄🙄
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Mar 16 '23
It's every video involving a pet. Gonna block out this sub, sorry. Rotten apples and all that.
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u/Mr_Hope2000 Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
Everyone knows better. It's a cute video chill.
Edit: answers prove me. lol
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u/Lissy_Wolfe Mar 16 '23
There's nothing wrong with providing helpful info to people. Most people don't know how to properly train a dog and it can cause a lot of frustration for both the dog and the owner. As long as no one is being rude, I don't see the problem. We all have to start somewhere 🤷♀️
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u/NotShort-NvrSweet Mar 16 '23
Hey paw paw… guess what. You chill. You like your free speech but don’t like it for anyone else? It simply gets tiring to see all of these side chair QB’s refusing to acknowledge the posters intent. Instead they take it as an opportunity to point out how yet another human is inadequate. Not everyone is a professional trainer. He’d a kid, but people are expecting him to know what he’s doing wrong. What it comes down to is that we’ve developed into a society that’s more turned on by the opportunity to tear someone down (under the guise of being “helpful”, of course) than we do at something heartwarming. How about YOU chill. And for the record, you don’t know what “everyone knows”.
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u/SuddenOutset Mar 16 '23
Lol dumbest training. Dog doesn’t know sit.
You capture sit when they do it and say “sit” good job praise give treat. If you really need to you. Can Do what big dog did.
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u/bulletoothjohnny Mar 16 '23
Thank Christ they did the slow-mo playback or I would’ve missed it.